When will indyref2 happen?

[doulikefish]

Ffs stop replying to the self confessed troll

[git-intae-thum]

3 minutes ago, Loondave1 said:

I don't think refraining from starting some sort of indigenous Scots v Settlers issue needs praised exactly but i do take your point and some interesting stats. It does suggest the theory that old people will die and be replaced with pro YES young people thus guaranteeing a YES victory might be a bit simplistic and lazy.

It may be simplistic. It may even be lazy..but alas for the union it is very likely correct.

[Loondave1]

It may be simplistic. It may even be lazy..but alas for the union it is very likely correct.

No need to rush into anything then [emoji6] [emoji6]

[Loondave1]

Ffs stop replying to the self confessed troll

I must have missed the meeting where you were put in charge of the internet. Chill.

[welshbairn]

Still don't get why the demographic group supposedly voting NO because they were afraid of change are the same group who voted for Brexit.

[renton]

18 minutes ago, Loondave1 said:

I don't think refraining from starting some sort of indigenous Scots v Settlers issue needs praised exactly but i do take your point and some interesting stats. It does suggest the theory that old people will die and be replaced with pro YES young people thus guaranteeing a YES victory might be a bit simplistic and lazy.

Given some of the recent developments in UK politics even small victories for liberalism should be celebrated 

To answer your point about simplistic and lazy theories. It's not about old vs young, but rather - in my opinion - about lived experience. The older you are the closer you were to the generation that fought the war: a defining moment for British nationalism. On the other hand, if you look at the demographic breakdowns 50 years old is the breakpoint between Yes and No. In other words if you were a teenager in or after 1979. Another seminal moment in UK history, the breakdown of the post war consensus and arguably a breakdown in mutual respect between Scotland and it's Westminster government.

In other words it's easier for the younger groups to be more questioning and more cynical about the Union, as opposed to the older group who see it as a Right and Proper bastion of their identity.

The question you should be asking, is what are the next generation going to see and hear and how will they form their opinions. 

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, renton said:

Given some of the recent developments in UK politics even small victories for liberalism should be celebrated 

To answer your point about simplistic and lazy theories. It's not about old vs young, but rather - in my opinion - about lived experience. The older you are the closer you were to the generation that fought the war: a defining moment for British nationalism.

My Mother was around during the war and my Dad fought in it,  their fathers fought in the first one, and both were very happy with the EU keeping the continent mostly together and at peace. They were also for staying together in the UK admittedly. 

[Peppino Impastato]

The last post I read from the forfar troll said Scotland should voluntarily suffer a few decades of guaranteed economy harm by embracing brexit rather than even consider independence.  His words. 

That's the last post of his anyone should read.  These people are simply British nationalists, as evidenced by tripe like that.

[Loondave1]

Given some of the recent developments in UK politics even small victories for liberalism should be celebrated 
To answer your point about simplistic and lazy theories. It's not about old vs young, but rather - in my opinion - about lived experience. The older you are the closer you were to the generation that fought the war: a defining moment for British nationalism. On the other hand, if you look at the demographic breakdowns 50 years old is the breakpoint between Yes and No. In other words if you were a teenager in or after 1979. Another seminal moment in UK history, the breakdown of the post war consensus and arguably a breakdown in mutual respect between Scotland and it's Westminster government.
In other words it's easier for the younger groups to be more questioning and more cynical about the Union, as opposed to the older group who see it as a Right and Proper bastion of their identity.
The question you should be asking, is what are the next generation going to see and hear and how will they form their opinions. 

They will form their opinions hopefully with their own ideas not spoonfed by adults like me or you.If i or you don't like the results we will just have to live with them. You are correct in thinking younger people have less default to the Union i suppose but most people need a well thought out alternative which was what was missing in 2014 with predictable consequences. I personally am not so much wedded to the Union but deeply cynical of a lot of claims made the SNP regards finances amongst other things. The initial claims of Scotland being one of the richest countries in the world confirmed the fast and loose nature of the claims being made. We all know its hardly a bed of roses in the UK but it doesn't mean the alternative is unquestionably better.

[welshbairn]

9 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

The last post I read from the forfar troll said Scotland should voluntarily suffer a few decades of guaranteed economy harm by embracing brexit rather than even consider independence.  His words. 

That's the last post of his anyone should read.  These people are simply British nationalists, as evidenced by tripe like that.

Link please.

[Loondave1]

The last post I read from the forfar troll said Scotland should voluntarily suffer a few decades of guaranteed economy harm by embracing brexit rather than even consider independence.  His words. 
That's the last post of his anyone should read.  These people are simply British nationalists, as evidenced by tripe like that.

Ha ha ! Pep is deciding what people should read now and is a fair purveyor of tripe himself most days. Oh the irony. If you don't want to read my posts just keep pounding that "blocked" button you are always mentioning. "These people" is a cracker too, just a hint of old fashioned 1930s style Nationalism maybe ? Your a bigger embarrassment than me and i make a real effort most days.

[Peppino Impastato]

17 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Link please.

I'm not looking through his posts check under his name and the phrase a few decades you'll find it.  Couple of weeks ago probably.

 

It shouldn't be surprising anyway, that is the mentality of labour they are died in the wool British nationalists.  One of their MPs said in parliament in 2014 'rather 100 years of Tory rule than one day of independence that was a fkn Scottish labour MP saying that. 

That's how these people think, they would rather Scotland governed by Tories as part of the UK than pursuing social democracy independent cause they are British nationalists to the core. 

That'swhy dugdale was telling people to vote Tory, imagine that unthinkable until Scottish independence became a real danger the leader of labour in its birthplace openly telling people to vote Tory.  They also fielded paper candidates against them and are in coalitions in councils with them all over the country.

That's not about economics or social democracy or socialism.  That's pure British nationalism. Union above all else no matter what.  Scotland should suffer in deference to their nationalism if need be rather than even be allowed to try and prosper outwith it.

Edited February 27, 2018 by Peppino Impastato

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

I'm not looking through his posts check under his name and the phrase a few decades you'll find it.  Couple of weeks ago probably.

 

It shouldn't be surprising anyway, that is the mentality of labour they are died in the wool British nationalists.  One of their MPs said in parliament in 2014 'rather 100 years of Tory rule than one day of independence that was a fkn Scottish labour MP saying that. 

That's how these people think, they would rather Scotland governed by Tories as part of the UK than pursuing social democracy independent cause they are British nationalists to the core. 

That'swhy dugdale was telling people to vote Tory, imagine that unthinkable until Scottish independence became a real danger the leader of labour in its birthplace openly telling people to vote Tory.  They also fielded paper candidates against them and are in coalitions in councils with them all over the country.

That's not about economics or social democracy or socialism.  That's pure British nationalism. Union above all else no matter what.  Scotland should suffer in deference to their nationalism if need be rather than even be allowed to try and prosper outwith it.

That's the way to argue your point, instead of just calling people you disagree with liars and craven cowards.

[Loondave1]

That's the way to argue your point, instead of just calling people you disagree with liars and craven cowards.

Aye.Still waiting on that link and expect to see it verbatem though. Think Pep maybe gave it a wee "spin" or two.

[Loondave1]

I'm not looking through his posts check under his name and the phrase a few decades you'll find it.  Couple of weeks ago probably.
 
It shouldn't be surprising anyway, that is the mentality of labour they are died in the wool British nationalists.  One of their MPs said in parliament in 2014 'rather 100 years of Tory rule than one day of independence that was a fkn Scottish labour MP saying that. 
That's how these people think, they would rather Scotland governed by Tories as part of the UK than pursuing social democracy independent cause they are British nationalists to the core. 
That'swhy dugdale was telling people to vote Tory, imagine that unthinkable until Scottish independence became a real danger the leader of labour in its birthplace openly telling people to vote Tory.  They also fielded paper candidates against them and are in coalitions in councils with them all over the country.
That's not about economics or social democracy or socialism.  That's pure British nationalism. Union above all else no matter what.  Scotland should suffer in deference to their nationalism if need be rather than even be allowed to try and prosper outwith it.

Actually the "rather 100 years of Tory rule" would be nice with a link ? I suspect it is a bit of a "makey upper" although who knows.If its true fair dibs and they need shooting but a nice Link Pep ?

[git-intae-thum]

2 hours ago, Loondave1 said:

No need to rush into anything then

Correct......no argument from me. It may take a while, but the softly softly approach is very likely to produce independence within a generation. 

The persistent idiocy displayed by the Westminster mob may well hasten events.

There is no need for supporters of independence to be rash or hasty.

Edited February 27, 2018 by git-intae-thum

[Highlandmagyar 2nd String]

23 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said:

I'm not looking through his posts check under his name and the phrase a few decades you'll find it.  Couple of weeks ago probably.

 

It shouldn't be surprising anyway, that is the mentality of labour they are died in the wool British nationalists.  One of their MPs said in parliament in 2014 'rather 100 years of Tory rule than one day of independence that was a fkn Scottish labour MP saying that. 

That's how these people think, they would rather Scotland governed by Tories as part of the UK than pursuing social democracy independent cause they are British nationalists to the core. 

That'swhy dugdale was telling people to vote Tory, imagine that unthinkable until Scottish independence became a real danger the leader of labour in its birthplace openly telling people to vote Tory.  They also fielded paper candidates against them and are in coalitions in councils with them all over the country.

That's not about economics or social democracy or socialism.  That's pure British nationalism. Union above all else no matter what.  Scotland should suffer in deference to their nationalism if need be rather than even be allowed to try and prosper outwith it.

Don't let the truth get in the way of you spouting shite. Labour are in coalition with the Tories in one council, Aberdeen, with the Labour councillors being defectors from the party and not official. In West Lothian they do support the Tories on certain issues but aren't in coalition. Whereas Labour are on coalition with your beloved SNP in SIX council's. You spout some shite.

[PB 4.2]

On 27/02/2018 at 18:16, welshbairn said:

Still don't get why the demographic group supposedly voting NO because they were afraid of change are the same group who voted for Brexit.

Absolutely kills the argument older folk voted No for conservative reasons.    It was predominately emotive.  

[Cerberus]

On 2/27/2018 at 10:16, welshbairn said:

Still don't get why the demographic group supposedly voting NO because they were afraid of change are the same group who voted for Brexit.

The Yes campaign didn't have a bus.

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

The Yes campaign didn't have a bus.

Corbyn wants one.

Jeremy Corbyn vows to use 'funds returned from Brussels' as he pumps £8BILLION into public services after Brexit

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-brussels-funds-12084323