Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd String said: Colony sounds about right. Surely you can accept that is exactly what Scotland deserves. We are just the poor cousins of the rest of the UK. On ignore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Aye I can think of loads of colonies whose citizens were given pretty much unrestricted access to the empire’s opportunities and participated actively in colonising in said empire. I’m sure the Kenyans, Indians and heck even the Yanks would look at Scotland and see kindred brothers in oppression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Aye I can think of loads of colonies whose citizens were given pretty much unrestricted access to the empire’s opportunities and participated actively in colonising in said empire. I’m sure the Kenyans, Indians and heck even the Yanks wofuld look at Scotland and see kindred brothers in oppression. Who decides if Scotland gets to hold indyref2? The Scottish people? The Scottish parliament? Or Theresa'now is not the time' may? Scotland is a colony. You love it like that cause you're craven. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 A colony is defined as 'a territory controlled entirely by another'. If events in the commons the night before last don't illustra A land colonised by people of another nation, it’s not really is it Pep? ‘Controlled entirely by another’ also suggests under duress, again it’s not really is it, especially given that 55% of the electorate voted in favour of retaining our current membership of the Union? You’re in an angry minority Pep, who yearn to live and breathe the oppression of Imperial aggression. You’re about 150 years too late Pal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Who decides if Scotland gets to hold indyref2? The Scottish people? The Scottish parliament? Or Theresa'now is not the time' may? Scotland is a colony. You love it like that cause you're craven. I'm fairly sure the people of London would have to get parliamentary permission to seek an independence referendum. Or do the London MPs or the Assembly have some hidden clause that I've missed? Bold calling others craven though, I didn't realise your commitment to independence was risking your life and limb. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Well Scotland twice decided how much autonomy it wanted in two separate referendums I recall devolution/independence referendums in 1979, 1997 & 2014. Labour rewriting history again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: I recall devolution/independence referendums in 1979, 1997 & 2014. Labour rewriting history again? The 79 referendum was a sham. I think everyone recognises that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: The 79 referendum was a Labour sham. I think everyone recognises that. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: FTFY I don't think you're going to see anyone disputing that tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, NotThePars said: I don't think you're going to see anyone disputing that tbh. You would be surprised at the number of people that believe that 'No' won a decisive majority in that referendum, especially down South. In addition, I've been accused of lying when I've told people that dead people on the (extremely outdated) electoral register in use at that time were counted as having voted 'No'. It's a great example of British fair play, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Colony? Tonight is the tv debut of "Britannia" on the tele. Britannia played a full part in the Roman Empire. Its people had full citizenship, enjoyed religious freedom and a devolved legal system. The same local ruling elite, once cowed, were left to get on with filching off....sorry governing....the people using slightly differing systems of rule. They were joined by adventurers, entrepreneurs and govt officials from Rome. Together they ensured maximum value could be extracted from Britannia's people and resources. Some of this value was even given back to Britannia. Britannia's merchants had free access to all markets. Britons could rise to great heights. Even eventually take seats in the Roman senate. ...but.... Britannia was still a Roman colony. Run for the benefit of Rome. All profit carefully calculated by Rome. Making sure the citizens of Britannia got enough back to feel valued and like, well, actual equal citizens or something. The merits of becoming a Roman colony are here nor their. But Britannia was certainly colonised. .. Change "Britannia" for Scotland and "Rome" for UK Establishment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said: From having to take a share of England's debt in 1707 to North sea oil we've been subsidising England for 300 years. We're just a colony to be exploited and stolen from. Scotland joined the UK as it was virtually bankrupt. The people then as now seen/ see it as being in their best intrests. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 The conditions in which Britain were attached to the Roman Empire and the level of participation the British barbarians had in the Roman Empire is of course exactly the same as Scotland and the UK. It’s totally plausible to reject Westminster’s sovereignty and also realise that as minority nations go we’ve had it much better than most. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 The conditions in which Britain were attached to the Roman Empire and the level of participation the British barbarians had in the Roman Empire is of course exactly the same as Scotland and the UK. It’s totally plausible to reject Westminster’s sovereignty and also realise that as minority nations go we’ve had it much better than most. Strange how minority nations in the EU eg Lux, Ireland and Denmark have it so bad. Actually they don't as they have sovereign power 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, NotThePars said: The conditions in which Britain were attached to the Roman Empire and the level of participation the British barbarians had in the Roman Empire is of course exactly the same as Scotland and the UK. It’s totally plausible to reject Westminster’s sovereignty and also realise that as minority nations go we’ve had it much better than most. Of course I was just using the whole Britannia thing as the new show started on the tele......but it did fit quite well. And yes... I agree.....as a colony in a league of shitty colonial experiences we have had it good compared with some. But by any reasonable definition.... colony we are and colonized we have been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Of course I was just using the whole Britannia thing as the new show started on the tele......but it did fit quite well. And yes... I agree.....as a colony in a league of shitty colonial experiences we have had it good compared with some. But by any reasonable definition.... colony we are and colonized we have been. No reasonable definition, and certainly none that wouldn’t offend the scores of colonised peoples across the globe, would contend that Scotland was a colony. There’s a reason this discourse is confined to the nutjob element of the Scottish nationalist movement. Even JLD’s example is utterly daft as Ireland experienced far more direct attempts at colonisation than Scotland did. Scotland were active and fully committed participants in colonising Ireland and further afield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 No reasonable definition, and certainly none that wouldn’t offend the scores of colonised peoples across the globe, would contend that Scotland was a colony. There’s a reason this discourse is confined to the nutjob element of the Scottish nationalist movement. Even JLD’s example is utterly daft as Ireland experienced far more direct attempts at colonisation than Scotland did. Scotland were active and fully committed participants in colonising Ireland and further afield. My point about Ireland has no relevance to what you wrote above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 My point about Ireland has no relevance to what you wrote above. And your point had no relevance to mine either, mate. I’m all in on Scotland going independent. I just think it’s dumb and offensive to consider Scotland a colony considering a) the abhorrent history of colonisation and b) our own particularly grim history of colonisation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, NotThePars said: No reasonable definition, and certainly none that wouldn’t offend the scores of colonised peoples across the globe, would contend that Scotland was a colony. There’s a reason this discourse is confined to the nutjob element of the Scottish nationalist movement. Even JLD’s example is utterly daft as Ireland experienced far more direct attempts at colonisation than Scotland did. Scotland were active and fully committed participants in colonising Ireland and further afield. See there ye go again....trying to introduce a league table of comparitable colonized experiences. Trying to compare Scotland to some of these places is laughable. Thats why I am not. That does not mean that Scotland has not been subject of colonization. We have all the classic symptoms..... Lack of political control. A lack of understanding of the nations true economic worth and a complicit elite. That is not some fringe theory. That is the way it is. Been that way for centuries chief. Stick yer fingers in yer red tory ears all ye like, but then your lot has been complicit for decades. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Scotland joined the UK as it was virtually bankrupt. The people then as now seen/ see it as being in their best intrests. That is complete nonsense, go and read some history before spouting this drivel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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