Whitburn Vale Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: "slightly left of the Tories".. Aye if you say so.I suspect you are in mild denial about last Thursdays events.Lets say Corbyns Labour is "slightly left of the Tories" where would that put the Nats on the spectrum ? Last time i checked sweetheart,i'm a fully paid up member of the "left" and indy supporting Scottish Greens not the slighlty left leaning SNP. Labour are kid on socialists,always have been !!! I'm from an ex mining town that is still on its knees after what the thatcher/tories did to the coal/steel mining industry here and from a labour party that took our votes for granted and did nothing to protect us from the tories policy's. Jobs for the boys politicians thats all labour will ever be,working mans party my ass!!! As for oor cousins in the SNP, last weeks set back was just what was needed,in other words a boot up the arse,not always a bad thing in life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearbuyerbell Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Good poll for the union = Indy dead. Good poll for Scotland = Union is dead. Sturgeon's made a political mistake by calling the referendum before we know the consequences of Brexit. There will be a 2nd referendum in the next 3 years. It'll be hard to call, although No remains favourites. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, McSpreader said: No, nor did they vote for Independence and the indications from the popular vote of GE2017 is overwhelmingly against an indyref 2. But the SNP have won a majority again? Unionist parties combined still couldn't match the SNP, fact. I don't know how this result says Scotland is against a 2nd Indyref, anyway its already been voted through... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 On 12/06/2017 at 09:16, jmothecat said: Anecdotally speaking to no voters who voted SNP in 2015 but for other parties last week the referendum thing was a large part of the reason, but they were people who were no voters anyway. I think the assumption that everyone voting for a unionist party is a no voter and everyone voting for the SNP is a nat is probably inaccurate. It doesn't feel like there is much of an appetite for another referendum except from strongly pro-independence people. I get the impression that there are a fair number of soft-yes people who would vote yes if there was a referendum tomorrow who still don't have the appetite for another referendum. I think they are people who may have voted for other parties last Thursday. I don't think there has been any noticeable shift either towards or against independence and I think at the moment another referendum would likely return a similar result to the last one. Sturgeon definitely went too soon with the announcement of another referendum. I think she had thought Brexit would have a quick boost to the pro-independence movement and was trying to capitalise on it, but it didn't really happen apart from in the immediate week or two after the referendum result. Good post, except I'd pedantically disagree with the "strongly" and "soft" Independence labels, in terms of wanting another referendum soon. The people who support it but would rather wait a few years are the ones who strongly support Independence. They've looked at the information available to them and have drawn conclusions based on what's realistically best for Indy. The old people and saddos who either physically or mentally can't wait, aren't strong supporters of Independence. They'd kill the whole thing off for future generations that would actually make it happen, because they couldn't wait for a political campaign to add some meaning to their lives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Loondave1 said: Not exactly "happy" but the idea that the Nationalists are entitled to my vote by default is typical arrogance that is seeing Indy booted off into the long/medium length grass.Im hopeful now for the UK with a truly left wing opposition much more aligned with my beliefs than "faux" left Nationalists. Given that the SNP provided the only real opposition to the last Government while Labour sat on their hands and allowed Bill after Bill to go through, good luck with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Pearbuyerbell said: Sturgeon's made a political mistake by calling the referendum before we know the consequences of Brexit. She specifically didn't do that and made it clear that it would only be held after the terms of Brexit are known and we're already suffering the consequences. What you've done there is spout Unionist propaganda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Given that the SNP provided the only real opposition to the last Government while Labour sat on their hands and allowed Bill after Bill to go through, good luck with that. And what Bills did they actually stop going through ? SNP are just a bit "look at me ! look at me !" for my liking.The sense of seethe at not being the centre of attention is overwhelming. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 And what Bills did they actually stop going through ? SNP are just a bit "look at me ! look at me !" for my liking.The sense of seethe at not being the centre of attention is overwhelming. I personally, really wish the SNP weren't the centre of attention... Sturgeon this Sturgeon that because the other parties managed to pick up a handful of seats between them.You're at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 43% support for Indy - no relative change. 47% want Sturgeon to stay on as FM compared to 36% don't. I do hope you come back with the polling results in the weeks and months ahead too. Why are you counting "don't knows" as in favour of sturgeon and indeyref2? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Why are you counting "don't knows" as in favour of sturgeon and indeyref2? Because people in favour of Indy2 "don't know" anything is my best guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 31 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Why are you counting "don't knows" as in favour of sturgeon and indeyref2? What are you on about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 49 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Why are you counting "don't knows" as in favour of sturgeon and indeyref2? The same reason we count half of the DKs as in favour of the Union. They don't know. So the poll is normalized to remove the effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Aye Corbyn and Labour faced a very similar challenge to another movement... hmmm what was that again. And well here you are saying exactly what Independence voters are saying about political landscape etc yet ours is BS and yours isn't. Funny that. Think both sides are quick to dismiss the achievements of the other. Both the Yes movement and Corbyn overturned a massive deficit and widespread mainstream opposition to come much closer than anyone expected to pulling off the impossible. Seeing people that vehemently defend the ability for Yes to win the next referendum saying that Corbyn had his chance now and fucked it. The momentum is with Corbyn right now and the momentum can be with the Yes movement depending on how events play out down south. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: I personally, really wish the SNP weren't the centre of attention... Sturgeon this Sturgeon that because the other parties managed to pick up a handful of seats between them. You're at it. He's admitted more than once on here that his sole purpose is to troll this sub-forum. His sole function here is to serve as an object of ridicule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 He's admitted more than once on here that his sole purpose is to troll this sub-forum. His sole function here is to serve as an object of ridicule. Thank you for your valued info.There are a fair few characters on here that deserve ridicule and a hint of self awareness would allow them to realise it.Your main function seems to be jumping in with some "troll" comment that you recycle on a regular basis.I find you a potty mouthed waste of a contribution on most threads but as long as the rest of the get along gang back each other up you can bask in the glow of not realising you are just as much a bit of an arse as most people on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 You're the one who said you're a troll. Ludo is merely repeating the point that you made yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 As a committed Labour voter and member Loondave and jmo are my new comrades on here and anyone that thinks he's a troll and jmo's a Blairite dickhead is simply at it. At it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 You're the one who said you're a troll. Ludo is merely repeating the point that you made yourself. I'm aware of that just wondered why he wastes so much of his life fixating on it.Congratulations for being first of the "get along gang" to arrive though.I wasn't to be disappointed.Sure he will be glad of your support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 As a committed Labour voter and member Loondave and jmo are my new comrades on here and anyone that thinks he's a troll and jmo's a Blairite dickhead is simply at it. At it. Some days I'm "at it" and some days I'm "not at it".No Nat tells me whether I'm allowed to be "at it" or "not at it"....might be "at it" though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Every time you say Nat I think of Borat. Please stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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