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The Lib Dems sort of pegged the Tories back when in coalition and increased the amount you can earn tax free up to £10,600.

Now they are gone and with the Tories in full control, it's going to be a tough time ahead.

nah, the Tories will find it harder now, there will be back bench rebellions on various issues like Europe, and with only a 12 seat majority they don't have much leeway. Its like 92 all over again.
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I know quite a few that will be devastated, and my heart goes out to them.

Most I only "know" second hand from hanging out on Urban 75 and other forums, but they have my condolences today.

I'm one of the devastated North East England ppl.In all my years we've never had a tory mp until this morning. Ffs
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Here's a public comment from the BBC website that I empathise with;

Jackie, Andover: "So, we've voted for a Conservative majority. I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, to have a stable family, to have given birth to healthy intelligent children, to be in work and to live in my own house.

No doubt as a result of the vote, my European holiday has just got a bit cheaper and our savings for our children's education have gone up slightly in value. But I find it harder to smile knowing that the gulf will continue to grow between the rich and poor, those in stable families and those not, the sick and the healthy, the strong and the vulnerable.

If things go wrong, I shan't waste my time writing to my new MP who will be busy in London running his accountancy firm. I shall set up a direct debit to our local food bank, and perhaps I'd better save a bit more to help anyone I love who falls on hard times, because I have less confidence today that society will care."

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Is there not a contradiction there? Why is Scotland voting for practically only one party a rational decision yet England, far closer, a case a case of folk being gulled?

'Cos they're English...

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Here's a public comment from the BBC website that I empathise with;

Jackie, Andover: "So, we've voted for a Conservative majority. I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, to have a stable family, to have given birth to healthy intelligent children, to be in work and to live in my own house.

No doubt as a result of the vote, my European holiday has just got a bit cheaper and our savings for our children's education have gone up slightly in value. But I find it harder to smile knowing that the gulf will continue to grow between the rich and poor, those in stable families and those not, the sick and the healthy, the strong and the vulnerable.

If things go wrong, I shan't waste my time writing to my new MP who will be busy in London running his accountancy firm. I shall set up a direct debit to our local food bank, and perhaps I'd better save a bit more to help anyone I love who falls on hard times, because I have less confidence today that society will care."

Yep. It's a pretty depressing result this.

It might favour Scottish independence and bring it forward - but the cuts will be savage.

The poorest are going to suffer the most, as always happens under tory governments.

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I have never voted for anyone else but SNP and I'm 41. That's quite a few elections now so I don't think it does have to be prevented from where I'm sitting.

I was looking at the situation in that post from the perspective of a politically left leaning Englishman (or woman), many of whom I am friends with from university and who I've been talking too this morning and over the last few days.

If you are that person today looks pretty bleak on all sorts of scores, most of all the break up of Britain and the almost perpetual right wing rule down south.

I want independence and I voted for it in the referendum but I'm not hellbent on it at any cost, I want it because I think it would greatly benefit Scotland. If there was an alternative where Scotland could be given greater powers, and by that I mean full fiscal autonomy within the UK, I would certainly consider it but I am done with the current Westminster model of government.

If the left wing down south wants to have any future, I'm simply saying they must propose radical constitutional reform before they even begin to catch my ear.

A new party could be formed around proportional representation and some kind of federalist model of government. That's the only way I seem of the left offering a credible political offering to electorates on either side of the border.

But right now? Westminster - dead. Labour party - dead. Lib Dems - dead. Currently situation with Scotland within the union - completely untenable.

Yeah whatever, all very nice and well but I don't give a f**k about the left in England or anywhere outside Scotland. I care as much about what happens internally in England as I do France, New Zealand or Canada.

Not my problem and they're big enough to look after themselves, we are a small country and we can't keep being blamed when a country ten times our size votes Tory overwhelmingly.

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The English right wing press played the 'vote Labour get SNP' card and it has worked.

If things stay the same, we can expect the same in another 5 years time.

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The only way Labour stood a chance was to defend a Labour-SNP alliance. He bottled it and got what he deserved.

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Is there not a contradiction there? Why is Scotland voting for practically only one party a rational decision yet England, far closer, a case a case of folk being gulled?

Cause they voted for a party that doesn't have the best interests of the vast majority of them at stake. Whereas we voted for a party that does.

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That's not what I said. People in Scotland are entitled to vote for whoever they want and to say whatever they want. What they're not entitled to do is pretend that they exist in some kind of political vaccuum where what they do doesn't have an effect anywhere else.

And the effect should have been Labour looking at the situation in Scotland and thinking, "Hey, that's the kind of stuff we used to do! I wonder if there's any mileage in trailing some, you know, left-wing ideas nationally?"

But it wasn't. Because Labour just want to be in power. Unfortunately, no matter how far they drift to the right, voters who like that kind of shite will vote for the real Tories. Voters, like me, who want a socialist party will never vote for them again.

The reason Labour are dying - nationally, not just in Scotland - is because they have forgotten who they are, and aren't as good at being Tories as the real thing. Fúck'em, they deserve to go.

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If I had to choose between a Tory majority and a Labour majority I'd have chose a Tory one.

Most of us here have been absolutely delighted to see Labour getting a fucking pasting in Scotland, and yet we're crying that they're not going to be leading the country? Are you all fucking kidding me?

In the thirteen years Labour had under Blair and Brown absolutely f**k all was done for Scotland. These b*****ds proved they are every bit as cold and calculating as the Tories, if not more. To overcompensate, they then put a complete dud like Miliband in, who quite simply went down the route of saying anything to anyone to get votes. Claim they're the party of working people in Scotland, then claim they're the party that want to curb immigration in the posh areas. Clueless.

I'm glad they've lost across the UK. f**k them.

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If I had to choose between a Tory majority and a Labour majority I'd have chose a Tory one.

Most of us here have been absolutely delighted to see Labour getting a fucking pasting in Scotland, and yet we're crying that they're not going to be leading the country? Are you all fucking kidding me?

In the thirteen years Labour had under Blair and Brown absolutely f**k all was done for Scotland. These b*****ds proved they are every bit as cold and calculating as the Tories, if not more. To overcompensate, they then put a complete dud like Miliband in, who quite simply went down the route of saying anything to anyone to get votes. Claim they're the party of working people in Scotland, then claim they're the party that want to curb immigration in the posh areas. Clueless.

I'm glad they've lost across the UK. f**k them.

Then you're either more right wing than you think or have a very short memory.

This next government will be more like a Thatcher government where there is an ideological attack on public spending. The austerity is going to really start now - as they have effectively been given the green light.

I'm no defender of new Labour but to say there is no difference between them and a Tory government is simply nonsense. There's not as much difference as I (and most Scots) would like but the deepest cuts would not have hit the poorest in society. Things may not have got much better but they crucially wouldn't have got much worse.

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From memory the Tories plans are for fairly major cuts in the first 3 years, then a spending spree before the next election. Wonder where the cuts are coming and how much Scotland is getting passed?

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Fact is.... if Labour had returned 59 mps in Scotland, we would still have a majority tory gov in UK

Thank feck we voted SNP as they will fight for Scotland.

With regards to tory gov, only England can sort that out. If we dont like it then independence is the option

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For anyone who wants the fastest road to independence, this is the best result. The worst outcome would have been Labour getting an overall majority. I think Ed should have played his hand and said why an SNP alliance wouldn't be that bad, and where his red line would be when it came to horse trading. Instead Ed fumbled on the issue and made nonsensical statements. Like why he rather lock himself out of number 10 that do any deals with the SNP. When the arthritic dictates that he must. One conclusion I can make from the election is that people should be under no illusion now. That whatever the south of England votes for, they get. This election has all the hallmarks of the 92 election. Tory backbenchers are going to give Cameron all kinds of trouble. I also predict we'll see another financial crisis during the course of the next parliament, and the Tories won't be viewed in a favourable light come the next election.

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Looking forward to another 5 years of economic growth and increased prosperity. [cracks open the champers]

Increased prosperity for who? 80% of people have less money than they did in 2010. Growth is anaemic, was non-existent in the last quarter and only came years after countries who spent out of recession rather than cutting.

Tories think they're the ones who 'get' economics, they're fucking clueless about economics and take part gleefully in ideological attacks on the poor.

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