Killiepiyo Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Happy new year to everyone, was just reading the leaked emails allegedly showing the SPFL are looking for £1.75 Million to sponsor all the leagues after a lengthy spell without one. Aware it's been discussed before but got me thinking about the chances of the Junior cup attracting a new sponsor? I know last year Barr came in to sponsor the final but if u were in charge what would you do to get a backer? Lower the asking price? Advertise the benefits? Do we need one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loughal Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Happy new year to everyone, was just reading the leaked emails allegedly showing the SPFL are looking for £1.75 Million to sponsor all the leagues after a lengthy spell without one. Aware it's been discussed before but got me thinking about the chances of the Junior cup attracting a new sponsor? I know last year Barr came in to sponsor the final but if u were in charge what would you do to get a backer? Lower the asking price? Advertise the benefits? Do we need one? Would be looking around for another airline like Emirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 No harm in applying i guess https://emirates--proposals-copy.sponsor.com/?pid=0&cid=201572 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Considering the prize money is non-existent for all clubs before the latter stages, sponsoring the cup seems to be about almost free publicity for the company in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrellburn Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I very much doubt that multi-national companies like Emirates can see much benefit to themselves from sponsoring what is, after all, a very minor sporting competition in world terms.They sponsor clubs like Arsenal for very good reasons, worldwide exposure from TV highlights shown worldwide. Sponsoring the Scottish junior cup would be, to them, very much like giving your loose change to a beggar. We can only hope that some Scottish based organisation, that does real business, with the sort of people that follow, and are involved in football at our level will come in. The offshore industries maybe would have been contenders a few years ago, but unlikely at the moment. The motor trade is doing pretty well at the moment but Arnold Clark has never really shown much interest in sponsoring football even although his brother, Billy, played junior football at kilsyth and senior at St Johnstone. The best opportunities I would think might come from within the leisure sector, including gambling, who do make money from us. Also food and drink with quite a few Scottish based companies doing OK, and the financial industry which is probably the most profitable part of the Scottish economy. I have no doubt that, contrary to what many people on here think,efforts have been made to get more sponsorship. Just look at how long Douglas Park held back before deciding to get involved at Glasgow Rangers, he has waited until it is almost about to undergo a second collapse and i have no doubt this will mark a turning point in their fortunes, and that he bwill be in full control before very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The'FORD Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 You would think William Hill would be a viable option as the winners progress into the senior Scottish cup (which they obviously sponsor at the moment) the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The'FORD Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 You would think William Hill would be a viable option as the winners progress into the senior Scottish cup (which they obviously sponsor at the moment) the following season.Although other bookmakers are available (hint hint MacBookie lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Does anyone know what kinda money we're talking to sponsor it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Does anyone know what kinda money we're talking to sponsor it? A figure was quoted when Emirates got involved but it was suspected that someone had added a zero somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Does anyone know what kinda money we're talking to sponsor it? Just a couple free flights for the big wigs will get you a 5 year deal lol LADESIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The'FORD Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I know we don't live in an ideal world and no sponsor means no money. When we do get a sponsor surely any cash should be cascaded in the same manner as the senior Scottish and not just to the teams in the latter stages as it is at the moment. Obviously this can only be calculated once we know how much is in the pot and would increase for each round. And why shouldn't we set our targets high by looking for a "Big" sponsor like maybe YouTube or even Facebook who we use week in week out to post match reports, match highlights etc.? There's even BBC Alba who manage to show live coverage of the final who may be encouraged to air highlights from the days junior games as opposed to a repeat of an already shown Premiership game. I know senior teams from the lower leagues would bemoan this but they can fight their own battles. Who knows with a little coverage other than a final it may even show fans of the so called big teams that junior football is actually more entertaining and value for money than they think! Apologies for the rant but thanks for staying with it lol Cmon The'FORD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_albert Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 A company like ACA sports or even Mitre who can link there sponsorship with all the Junior clubs. These are two companies which a lot of teams use, maybe a deal can be done that if they sponsor the Scottish cup then the clubs can get a discount on purchases that way both parties will benefit. The SJFA on the whole are not very good at promoting the Junior game, which is the best value for money than the SPFL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I know we don't live in an ideal world and no sponsor means no money. When we do get a sponsor surely any cash should be cascaded in the same manner as the senior Scottish and not just to the teams in the latter stages as it is at the moment. Obviously this can only be calculated once we know how much is in the pot and would increase for each round. And why shouldn't we set our targets high by looking for a "Big" sponsor like maybe YouTube or even Facebook who we use week in week out to post match reports, match highlights etc.? There's even BBC Alba who manage to show live coverage of the final who may be encouraged to air highlights from the days junior games as opposed to a repeat of an already shown Premiership game. I know senior teams from the lower leagues would bemoan this but they can fight their own battles. Who knows with a little coverage other than a final it may even show fans of the so called big teams that junior football is actually more entertaining and value for money than they think! Apologies for the rant but thanks for staying with it lol Cmon The'FORD At least when they first started, SJFA paid ALBA to show the final. Not sure if that's still the case or not. And in terms of prize money, I'm not sure how much there is or was - semi finalists are guaranteed £3000 and finalists £8000 each but that mainly comes from gate receipts that are topped up by the SJFA if there's not enough in that pot. An interesting comparison model is the Petrofac Cup which when sponsored by Ramsdens gave the bulk of its prize money to the finalists (I think it was 30k/15k) with the remaining (15k?) split up among the other 28 sides over the course of the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Remember it also needs to be spread out among 160 odd clubs. Prize money for the 1st and 2nd rounds would be about £20 if you were lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 And in terms of prize money, I'm not sure how much there is or was - semi finalists are guaranteed £3000 and finalists £8000 each but that mainly comes from gate receipts that are topped up by the SJFA if there's not enough in that pot. That was my thought: isn't any sponsor income just put into the big SJFA pot? An interesting comparison model is the Petrofac Cup which when sponsored by Ramsdens gave the bulk of its prize money to the finalists (I think it was 30k/15k) with the remaining (15k?) split up among the other 28 sides over the course of the competition. I think that was how it worked under BBC Alba. Something like half the money was loaded towards the finalists. Under the original Ramsdens deal (before Rangers came into play) prize-fund was £186k and winner received only £28k, runner-up getting £18k. EDIT: Actually here's some Challenge Cup progressions: http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/171700-challenge-cup-prize-money/#entry6115457 Challenge Cup 2011-12 (Ramsdens) Prizefund... £186,000 R1 losers... £2,750 R2 losers... £5,500 R3 losers... £8,000 SF losers... £10,000 Losing Fin... £18,000 Winning Fin... £28,000 + match v Middlesbrough Challenge Cup 2009-10 (MG Alba) Prizefund... ~£61,000 (although I've also seen it described as ~£70k or ~£80k) R1-SF losers... shared about £15,000 Losing Finalist... £15,000 Winning Finalist... £31,000 Challenge Cup 1999-00 to 2002-03 (Bells) Prizefund... £134,000 R1 losers... £3,000 R2 losers... £4,000 R3 losers... £5,000 SF losers... £6,000 Losing Fin... £12,000 Winning Fin... £16,000 Challenge Cup 1995-96 (Bells) Prizefund... £108,450 R1 losers... £2,125 R2 losers... £3,200 R3 losers... £4,400 SF losers... £5,750 Losing Fin... £10,000 Winning Fin... £14,000 Centenary Cup 1990-91 (B&Q) Prizefund... £78,000 R1 losers... £1,500 R2 losers... £2,500 R3 losers... £3,500 SF losers... £4,500 Losing Fin... £7,000 Winning Fin... £10,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Craig Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Just get Hamilton Tarmac to sponsor it! They buy everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Just get Hamilton Tarmac to sponsor it! They buy everything! They bought the ref last season...allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hertha_BJFC Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Just get Hamilton Tarmac to sponsor it! They buy everything! Yup Hamilton Tarmac would take the junior cup down the right path , they would provide a Drive-way above the the rest of the others and they would lay a firm foundation as Backers of the Scottish junior cup . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Usual nonsense from the usual parties... interesting to hear about the alba deal, clever if true as it raises the profile of the final. Would like to think it's worth some cash to the juniors tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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