Monster Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Dunfermline. Callum Woods. Scottish Cup. Hopefully that'll jog your memory. Edit- beaten by 6 seconds Oh aye, memory well jogged. Often pay close attention to those Fife hoors. Anyway, the story seems to be the S.F.L. initially told Peterhead the lad was okay to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 SFA tightened-up the Scottish Cup rules after various high-profile cases of "ineligible players". It's now a zero-tolerance situation, automatic expulsion. Spartans were put-out a few seasons ago after beating Culter, for the offence of not having filled in a player's DofB for the second time somewhere on a registration, IIRC. It's more difficult in a league as third parties are affected (the other teams) if you award it to the other club; e.g. what if Ayr won promotion or avoided relegation by 1pt, having been awarded this match 3-0? I don't think league games often are awarded, it's usually a fine or play it again, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Dunfermline. Callum Woods. Scottish Cup. Hopefully that'll jog your memory. Edit- beaten by 6 seconds Ok i'll bite http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/9371741.stm East Stirlingshire expelled from Scottish Cup ................ Last year, Dunfermline Athletic were expelled for fielding a suspended player but were reinstated after an appeal and granted a replay. This prompted the SFA to tighten the competition rules in May, meaning any team fielding an ineligible player will automatically be ejected. .......................... I love how i was also beaten to this by 6 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Anyway, the story seems to be the S.F.L. initially told Peterhead the lad was okay to play. I know Peterhead's at the back of beyond but I suspect even they've caught on to the SFL's demise. In any event the SFA administer suspensions not the SPFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's more difficult in a league as third parties are affected (the other teams) if you award it to the other club; e.g. what if Ayr won promotion or avoided relegation by 1pt, having been awarded this match 3-0? I don't think league games often are awarded, it's usually a fine or play it again, Third parties are involved in the cup tbh e.g. East Stirlingshire play Aberdeen , Aberdeen win but have fielded a player who was banned, they get kicked out. Shire go through for an easy tie for someone who may have lost to Aberdeen. This changes the outlook of the cup so third parties are involved IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I know Peterhead's at the back of beyond but I suspect even they've caught on to the SFL's demise. In any event the SFA administer suspensions not the SPFL. Troon fans dont care about changes to the league set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Troon fans dont care about changes to the league set up Away you and get ebola for Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Away you and get ebola for Christmas Only available on emergency loan until the transfer window opens in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Aye I don't get how the clubs and officials don't know but fans do. I recall there being fans on a couple of sites flagging up that the Peterhead lad couldn't play The Judicial Panel and Process: Principle 1 – Economic and expeditious justice. The objective of the Protocol is to secure the Determination of disciplinary proceedings arising in respect of Association Football and that decisions are made economically and expeditiously in a fair manner. Tribunals appointed from the Judicial Panel may impose reasonable procedural requirements on Parties to ensure that matters are dealt with economically and expeditiously. WTF is economical about a £10,000 fine on Peterhead? In terms of attendances it's like fining Aberdeen £250,000 or Celtic £1,000,000. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Isn't part (maybe a lot?) of that £10,000 suspended until the season's end, i.e. no question of it being levied unless you field an ineligible player again this season? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30185429 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The Judicial Panel and Process: Principle 1 – Economic and expeditious justice. The objective of the Protocol is to secure the Determination of disciplinary proceedings arising in respect of Association Football and that decisions are made economically and expeditiously in a fair manner. Tribunals appointed from the Judicial Panel may impose reasonable procedural requirements on Parties to ensure that matters are dealt with economically and expeditiously. WTF is economical about a £10,000 fine on Peterhead? In terms of attendances it's like fining Aberdeen £250,000 or Celtic £1,000,000. Crazy. The sfa xmas party has to be paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Isn't part (maybe a lot?) of that £10,000 suspended until the season's end, i.e. no question of it being levied unless you field an ineligible player again this season? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30185429 Knowing the beaks they will probably confiscate the match ball from Rory McAllister too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrsole Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The Judicial Panel and Process: Principle 1 – Economic and expeditious justice. The objective of the Protocol is to secure the Determination of disciplinary proceedings arising in respect of Association Football and that decisions are made economically and expeditiously in a fair manner. Tribunals appointed from the Judicial Panel may impose reasonable procedural requirements on Parties to ensure that matters are dealt with economically and expeditiously. WTF is economical about a £10,000 fine on Peterhead? In terms of attendances it's like fining Aberdeen £250,000 or Celtic £1,000,000. Crazy. The sfa xmas party has to be paid The SPFL imposed the fine, not the SFA. The SPFL regulation broken reads: 21. If a Player Plays, whilst subject to suspension by the SFA and/or the League from participating or being named as a substitute in an Official Match, the Club and the Player concerned shall be in breach of the Rules and these Regulations. Suspension list: http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/Disciplinary/CurrentSuspensions/Season2014/15/PlayerSuspensions/LOS17%20(13%20Nov)CW.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedafc Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 So i presume SFA/SPFL have admitted they fucked up obviously surely a 3-0 Ayr win should be the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Anyone got any examples for when this has happened in league games before? Plenty of examples for the scottish cup which have been discussed before but i don't remember a case for a league game. Only relevant things i can think of are livi's and hamilton's games they didn't turn up for. I know nothing happened in livi's case but what happened to the game accies missed? (other than the -15 points) I think the decision seems reasonable here, depending on how much of the fine is suspended , possible a small (1 or 2) points deduction would have been reasonable on top of whats been asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 In 1996 there was a game when Falkirk fielded John Clark against Dunfermline, but he was ineligible for signing reasons (not suspended). It was ordered replayed and Falkirk were fined £25,000 and possibly 3pts, as well!! I'd speculate most cases have been regarded as technical breaches resulting in fines / points deductions. e.g. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/98239-replayed-league-games/ e.g. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/98280-largest-fine-for-fielding-an-ineligible-player/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I really don't get how stuff like this still happens in 2014. Surely the referee has a list of contracted players who are not eligible to play that particular match and spends a minute checking the team sheets to make sure this cannot occur. No, he doesn't. The referee is given the team sheets by the club. It is down to the club, not the referee, to ensure all those on the team sheet are eligible to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 In 1996 there was a game when Falkirk fielded John Clark against Dunfermline, but he was ineligible for signing reasons (not suspended). It was ordered replayed and Falkirk were fined £25,000 and possibly 3pts, as well!! I'd speculate most cases have been regarded as technical breaches resulting in fines / points deductions. e.g. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/98239-replayed-league-games/ e.g. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/98280-largest-fine-for-fielding-an-ineligible-player/ Apologies for the ignorance (I've been out tonight and only read the statement on Ayr's website). Has this case been shown to be a wilfull breach of the rules, hence the replay order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazza Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 No, he doesn't. The referee is given the team sheets by the club. It is down to the club, not the referee, to ensure all those on the team sheet are eligible to play. I know just seems like a really straight forward thing they should do also. Perhaps put emphasis on clubs to get it right else they have to use one of their subs to replace the guy before game starts and so can only use 2 etc but refs can easily check the lists like they check studs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 So i presume SFA/SPFL have admitted they fucked up obviously surely a 3-0 Ayr win should be the outcome Why should Ayr be awarded a 3-0 win if you presume it was the SFA/SPFL who fucked up? Suspension list: http://www.scottishf... (13 Nov)CW.pdf From the list it looks like Reece Donaldson is the only player whose suspension is not specified as beginning immediately or from a specific date. The list states - 1 SPFL First Team Match. No mention of Immediate or From as with all other players apart from those listed as Formerly. Reece sat out the game against Dunfermline under the impression that this was the 1 SPFL First Team Match he was suspended from. Seems to me like Peterhead have been hard done by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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