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1 hour ago, Antlion said:

Why would an "anti establishment" man of the people like Nigel want knighted? For that matter, why would an "anti establishment" party be so keen to be inducted into the establishment via presence in the Lords?

£300 pound a day for popping in and out again. 

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I could not have less sympathy for Carswell. There is a compelling case to argue that he is even more despicable than Farage. At least with Farage, you know you are getting unapologetic demagoguery and barely disguised bigotry; Carswell kicked up a fuss with his vanity by-election in Clacton, and then opted to remain as a UKIP MP and spokesperson whilst - because he is an utterly disingenuous coward and a self-serving opportunist - attempting to distance and separate himself from more or less everything distasteful that UKIP/Farage/Banks/Leave.EU said and did. He deserves the political wilderness more than anybody else in British politics. 

At least his principles will compel him to call another by-election, right? 

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Sure he was a Farage fan back in the day on here.


Years ago, back in the day, when my politics consisted of watching YouTube videos, I was - idiotically - quite impressed by him. Then I became impressed by the Lib Dems instead, before calling the Tories home about 3/4 years ago.

It's been a weird journey.
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Somewhat ironically, UKIP's easiest route to post-Brexit relevance is probably through the consequences of a hard, chaotic Brexit. If 'Leave' voters feel as if Brexit is making them worse off or has hit them in the pocket - and that they weren't expecting that to happen to them, you would imagine the Tories and Labour would both stand to lose from such an outcome: the Tories being the governing party at the time of Brexit, and Labour solemnly nodding it through. UKIP and the Liberal Democrats would likely be the primary beneficiaries south of the border; the former amongst working-class 'Leave' voters - we supported Brexit, but not this sort of Brexit, and the latter amongst more metropolitan and middle-class 'Remain' backers. You also have the additional possibility of 'Leave' voters in England and Wales not feeling as if immigration is sufficiently declining: the country becomes poorer > we need immigrants to fill skills shortages > immigrants still getting jobs > pre-Brexit resentment persists > UKIP avoid the blame because they didn't enact Brexit, whereas the Tories did and Labour went along with it > UKIP recover some electoral ground.

Until then, existing primarily as an 'anti-immigration' pressure group - pushing Farage to the forefront and more or less allowing everything else to exist around him, even if Nuttall technically remains as Leader - rather than as an electorally viable political operation is probably the most sensible approach. 

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