pandarilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Does that include the illegal ones? This is one of those lines people just spout without any real evidence, it's mere conjecture created to fit a particular opinion! It is much more complicated than that, I'm sure many immigrants do contribute to society but I'm also not naive enough to believe that they all do. What is inherently different about an immigrant? They are people who work and wont to contribute to society. Will some be criminals? Yes Will some want to avoid tax? Yes Will some be ill and rely on the NHS? Yes But immigrants tend to be young people hungry for work - so of course they contribute more. Go and find your own evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I would imagine those British ex-pats are either working or retired, they certainly won't be claiming benefits or getting state health care in whichever country they live in. So not really comparable at all. Yes we do! Of course we do, we pay our taxes and are entitled to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Illegal immigrants are an entirely different matter - every effort should be made to remove them from the UK when they're detected. Why not make them legal and collect their taxes? Illegal immigrants are desperate people. But what they're desperate for is a chance to live in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Just because we have scroungers that were born here doesn't mean we should wilfully accept other nations too. I think we should be getting tougher on our own can't work, won't work lot instead of just trying to squeeze more sardines into an overcrowded tin. I'm certainly not against immigration, my grandfather came from Ireland, I do have a problem with people who have no grasp on the realities of life trying to sell me a pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Just because we have scroungers that were born here doesn't mean we should wilfully accept other nations too. I think we should be getting tougher on our own can't work, won't work lot instead of just trying to squeeze more sardines into an overcrowded tin. I'm certainly not against immigration, my grandfather came from Ireland, I do have a problem with people who have no grasp on the realities of life trying to sell me a pup. An overcrowded tin? Put down the fucking Daily Mail. There's plenty of space here chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Will some be criminals? Yes Will some want to avoid tax? Yes Will some be ill and rely on the NHS? Yes This can easily apply to quite a few Brits. Why not make them legal and collect their taxes? Illegal immigrants are desperate people. But what they're desperate for is a chance to live in this country. May as well just legalise all drugs here and tax the lot. Everyone's a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Why not make them legal and collect their taxes? Illegal immigrants are desperate people. But what they're desperate for is a chance to live in this country. To do so would be completely unfair to immigrants who have gone through the appropriate process (and quite possibly encountered great difficulty) to come here. Then there are the others whose case isn't deemed strong enough and they are denied visas etc. It sends out the wrong message. I agree they are desperate people. There are however desperate people in the UK - it doesn't mean any criminal actions they take can be excused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Open borders would allow other countries pensioners to move here. Uh huh: and how many pensioners are taking up the opportunity to leave Spain or Italy for a villa in rural Ayrshire? Open borders has been a massive economic success for the UK, by shipping off our useless old biddies to the Mediterranean, while bringing in economically active Eastern Europeans and increasing the population. Anyone who can't grasp those basic, large-scale facts is a moron, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I would imagine those British ex-pats are either working or retired, they certainly won't be claiming benefits or getting state health care in whichever country they live in. So not really comparable at all. Just because we have scroungers that were born here doesn't mean we should wilfully accept other nations too. I think we should be getting tougher on our own can't work, won't work lot instead of just trying to squeeze more sardines into an overcrowded tin. I'm certainly not against immigration, my grandfather came from Ireland, I do have a problem with people who have no grasp on the realities of life trying to sell me a pup. ^^^ moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Open borders has been a massive economic success for the UK, . Eh, we don't have open borders. What is you say again... Swing and a miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Eh, we don't have open borders. What is you say again... Swing and a miss? Eh? I'm pretty sure he meant EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Eh? I'm pretty sure he meant EU. Eh, he never said that. As I quite clearly state, I am fully in favour of the current immigration policy. I don't think it needs altered at all. The OP was advocating open borders, which is utter lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 An overcrowded tin? Put down the fucking Daily Mail. There's plenty of space here chief. It depends on what you determine plenty of space, personally I'd like the countryside to remain countryside. Fortunately for me regardless of all this 'space' we have everyone seems to want to live on the same little bits. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Eh, we don't have open borders. What is you say again... Swing and a miss? He's clearly talking about immigration relating to EU membership in which case it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ^^^ moron Hiya Pal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Open borders has been a massive economic success for the UK, by shipping off our useless old biddies to the Mediterranean, while bringing in economically active Eastern Europeans and increasing the population. Anyone who can't grasp those basic, large-scale facts is a moron, really. Not your greatest post. Erm, we don't have open borders. Useless old biddies? Can't beat a bit of ageism, and have all pensioners gone to the Med? Here's a hint, naw. None of this should be taken to be against EU migrants who have indeed contributed to the economy. http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Eh? I'm pretty sure he meant EU. Second sight champ? What's tonight's lotto numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 He's clearly talking about immigration relating to EU membership in which case it is. Ah, so open borders does not mean open borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Debating serious issues on here becomes extremely demoralising. You'd think I'd be used to dealing with infantile behaviour but no - it still gets to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Could someone explain to me how pensioners spending their pension/savings in Spain (or wherever) and then coming back to the UK for NHS healthcare is beneficial to the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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