HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Rubbish when was the last time we never scored Belgium game maybe<scored against Germany twice against England and three against Croatia getting max points the top seeds in our group.And beat Poland with a goal away,scored two against Macadonia away,it is not keeping a clean sheet that destroys us Go look at our scoring stats against comparable nations - Kenny Miller's scoring record is poorer than the best goalscorers of Armenia, Belarus, Malta, Georgia, Latvia and a myriad of other small-to-medium nations. When you look back at recent qualifying campaigns - it's 0-0 with the likes of Norway and Lithuania that kills us - not getting beaten by Belgium! Here's a objective comparison of the most recent campaign 2014 World Cup Scored 8, Conceded 12 (Macedonia scored 7, conceded 16; Wales scored 9. conceded 20; Armenia scored 12, conceded 13; Albania scored 9, conceded 11) Out of the groups that played 10 games, these were the only teams that scored LESS than us: Macedonia, Malta, Kazakhstan, Faroe Islands, Estonia, Andorra, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and San Marino 2012 European Championships and 2010 World Cup we were in a group of 5 so objective comparisons aren't possible - (the comparison is even worse than the above) If you compare and contrast goal scoring rates across Europe, we perform incredibly poorly - the only reason we're even remotely competitive is that we tend to concede a relatively small number of goals in comparison to similar European sides. When we lose, it's most often by 1 goals - occasionally 2. The reason we don't qualify is because we average LESS THAN ONE GOAL PER GAME. (2014, 8 from 10; 2012, 9 from 8; 2010, 6 from 8 ) To put that into context, with those goals - we couldn't even win every game if we didn't concede a single goal!!! That is a pathetic return - in fact, so poor, that in the last three tournaments our entire squad has been outscored by the top goalscorer for that qualification period. Edited October 7, 2014 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Go look at our scoring stats against comparable nations - Kenny Miller's scoring record is poorer than the best goalscorers of Armenia, Belarus, Malta, Georgia, Latvia and a myriad of other small-to-medium nations. When you look back at recent qualifying campaigns - it's 0-0 with the likes of Norway and Lithuania that kills us - not getting beaten by Belgium! Here's a objective comparison of the most recent campaign 2014 World Cup Scored 8, Conceded 12 (Macedonia scored 7, conceded 16; Wales scored 9. conceded 20; Armenia scored 12, conceded 13; Albania scored 9, conceded 11) Out of the groups that played 10 games, these were the only teams that scored LESS than us: Macedonia, Malta, Kazakhstan, Faroe Islands, Estonia, Andorra, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and San Marino 2012 European Championships and 2010 World Cup we were in a group of 5 so objective comparisons aren't possible - (the comparison is even worse than the above) If you compare and contrast goal scoring rates across Europe, we perform incredibly poorly - the only reason we're even remotely competitive is that we tend to concede a relatively small number of goals in comparison to similar European sides. When we lose, it's most often by 1 goals - occasionally 2. The reason we don't qualify is because we average LESS THAN ONE GOAL PER GAME. (2014, 8 from 10; 2012, 9 from 8; 2010, 6 from 8 ) To put that into context, with those goals - we couldn't even win every game if we didn't concede a single goal!!! That is a pathetic return - in fact, so poor, that in the last three tournaments our entire squad has been outscored by the top goalscorer for that qualification period. Norway and Lithuania were not in our last group we have a new squad since 2010 so its pretty pointless comparing them Right now we have new players all experiencing what international football is all about some will take to it fast others will take more time Lack of goals was not helped with Steven Fletcher refusing to play for us and kicking Kris Boyd out for booze gate when we needed him I am not interested in the other teams unless we are playing them much more interested in our own team and players coming through Its not all doom and gloom its just that defence we need a new generation coming through there and not many good ones are around We have so many options now middle to front we should be scoring more goals I agree with you the signs are good been so for last while Could easily had a few more goals in the Nigeria game as well and run out comfortable winners just conceded the equaliser at the end 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) We probably don't disagree in all honesty - I just love to lament about our poor goalscoring records. They really are appalling by international standards - we haven't had a hat trick since 1967 after all! I fundamentally agree that we need better defenders - and that's probably why we didn't qualify for Euro 2008. Since then we've had an appalling record in front of goal - which I find incredibly frustrating... In the past decade or so - the games that trip us up are when we lose 1-0 to Belarus, 0-0 with Slovenia, 1-1 with Moldova, 1-0 to Macedonia, 1-0 to Lithuania... that list goes on. While we achieve the odd results against a Holland, Germany or France - it's the results against the lesser teams that are the difference between qualifying and not - and we're too often 'not'... Even Italy, Spain, France and England concede goals to poor teams - the difference is they are capable of scoring 2 or 3 more than the opposition. Simply put - we aren't. The last time we scored 3 was 19 games ago. Before that it was another 10. I just wish we were more able to see out games. Edited October 7, 2014 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 kicking Kris Boyd out for booze gate when we needed him Boyd wasn't involved in boozegate. He made himself unavailable for a spell after falling out with George Burley following the Norway game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Boyd wasn't involved in boozegate. He made himself unavailable for a spell after falling out with George Burley following the Norway game. McGregor Ferguson were though thought he was as well can mind he spat the dummy out after he brought Iwelumo on versus Norway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Shame that he is not a defender we have plenty of talented midfield men around right now we want to make the jump guys like Fulton at Swansea we want in there team Is this post for real? In stead of just being happy we might have a good young attacking player on our hands you would rather he was a defender Jeezo, man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Is this post for real? In stead of just being happy we might have a good young attacking player on our hands you would rather he was a defender Jeezo, man. Fulton is a good attacking player scored twice on a trial for Man United 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtbahfm Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I do think it's interesting that in recent years most of the eye catching talent has tended to be smaller, very technically gifted winger / attacking midfield type players – perhaps influenced by more technical coaching, or being inspired by the likes of Messi and Silva on the TV / FIFA games. However, a couple of encouraging things are first, Andrew Robertson's meteoric rise to the top. We suddenly have a skillful, physical, pacey left back who's playing (and getting lots of positive comments) in England's top league. The fact he was playing amateur football just a couple of years ago suggests there may be more defenders out there who can develop quickly with the benefit of first team football. The second positive (and back on topic) is that Harper is over 6ft and looks physically strong for his age. It would be good to have a forward with good strength and pace to match up with strong technical skills. Fingers crossed he keeps developing and either makes it at Madrid, or moves to another high level team in Spain / Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Got to correct myself it was Craig Sibbald that scored twice for them young Fulton signed a new four year deal for Swansea though he is rated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I'd rather have a boy coming through at Madrid rather than Swansea tbh. Goes without saying got to hand it to Swansea though they play football the right way though on the deck 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Disappointed to see that he didn't even get off the bench in our 2-2 draw today http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2986&newsID=13839&newsCategoryID=1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kebab Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Disappointed to see that he didn't even get off the bench in our 2-2 draw today http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2986&newsID=13839&newsCategoryID=1 Being saved for the Poland game perhaps??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Being saved for the Poland game perhaps??? We have a kid playing for the biggest and best team in world football. Probably being trained by the best coaches. Who is highly regarded yet cant get a game for our U21s. The sooner that kid swaps to Spain the better for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 We have a kid playing for the biggest and best team in world football. Probably being trained by the best coaches. Who is highly regarded yet cant get a game for our U21s. The sooner that kid swaps to Spain the better for him. This wasn't even the U21s, this was the U19s?!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 We have a kid playing for the biggest and best team in world football. Probably being trained by the best coaches. Who is highly regarded yet cant get a game for our U21s. The sooner that kid swaps to Spain the better for him. Let's not pretend to know the reason why Harper didn't play on Tuesday. That could be for any number of reasons. We play Lithuania today - let's see if he starts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 More to the point were was Andy King in that game a first teamer at Swansea City only 18 in the big squad not started games yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake. Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 We have a kid playing for the biggest and best team in world football. Probably being trained by the best coaches. Who is highly regarded yet cant get a game for our U21s. The sooner that kid swaps to Spain the better for him. they're playing three games in six days. real madrid probably wouldn't even want him playing in so many games in such a short time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Maybe he wasn't fit. Maybe they were saving him for another game. Maybe he's not actually very good. It's pretty hard to speculate on a guy who has not played a single game of senior football in his life, and who most posters on here will only have seen playing for less than two hours of football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I see it's a 6pm kick off. Is it on any telly channels? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I see it's a 6pm kick off. Is it on any telly channels? Skysports 5 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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