BerwickMad Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Unfortunately I don't think Miliband is strong enough or popular enough to win the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Im amazed Labour didn't see Cameron s trick coming. They should have pre empted it before the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Brown must be desperately hoping that the UK get dragged back into Iraq now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It is. Miliband is doing absolutely the right thing. Cameron is an excellent politician. He owned Salmond in Edinburgh and he's playing Miliband like a fiddle. Salmond has walked Cameron right into cage, only last year Cameron was telling us no to devo max, that Scotland could not stay in the UK if it had it, now he's begging us to take it. By a Newsnet reporter UK Prime Minister David Cameron has flatly ruled out any extension to tax raising powers for Scotland beyond the proposals contained in the Scotland Bill which is currently going through the Westminster Parliament. The Prime Minister also refuses to consider devolving any part of the benefits system to Holyrood, according to reports in today's Scotland on Sunday. According to the newspaper, a spokesperson for the Conservative Prime Minister has described additional powers for the Scottish Parliament as "inconsistent" with remaining a part of the United Kingdom. If Scots desire greater control over their own affairs, they will have no option but to choose independence. The UK government believes that a single UK tax and benefits system is the "heart" of the UK, and will not countenance devolving any of these powers to Holyrood. A Westminster source quoted by the newspaper said: "There are certain levels of autonomy that are inconsistent with the UK. A unified tax and benefit system is at the heart of a united country. If you start dismantling the tax and benefit system then that is inconsistent with a single country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yes that's right. That ll be why Salmond has slunk away into the shadows after a humiliating defeat and Cameron is setting about mauling Ed Miliband. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yes that's right. That ll be why Salmond has slunk away into the shadows after a humiliating defeat and Cameron is setting about mauling Ed Miliband. Again. Are you going with " humiliating defeat"? If he's feeling anything like me ( and I'm sure he will be ) it's gut churning disappointment and hurt. He can't carry on being FM whilst carrying those emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 . I'd need to watch that again but yeah, what is he actually proposing? He's on the case. We'll get the maximum devolution possible. He's spent more time babbling on about devolution round the uk, attacking the yes campaign and begging yes voters to more or less trust what he's saying. I don't. Do you? I heard him utter the words, "I'm sure" in regards to the coming on new powers. That's not "they will come". He has no power anyway and the English will soon remember him as a failed PM who stole from our pensions and buggered up the debt even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Are you going with " humiliating defeat"? If he's feeling anything like me ( and I'm sure he will be ) it's gut churning disappointment and hurt. He can't carry on being FM whilst carrying those emotions. Yes, this was a humiliating defeat for Salmond. Lots of people queued up to say Cameron had made a spectacular blunder by signing up to this Yes/No referendum. They were told they were wrong and didn't listen. Until about 11 pm on Thursday evening when Salmond was going to ground cancelling parties and they said 'ah f**k'. Cameron owned the Edinburgh agreement. He s now trying to parlay it into freezing out Labour for the foreseeable future. He has been the massive winner here. Salmond a failure. He should have resigned rather than be bullied into ditching Devo Max by his cabinet. I bet he regrets it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todders Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 He should have resigned rather than be bullied into ditching Devo Max by his cabinet. I do believe that the above only happened in your fevered imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I do believe that the above only happened in your fevered imagination. As is a surprise to no one im sure you are horribly wrong. Salmond wanted Devo Max. Sturgeon and others in the cabinet did not and he was outvoted. Not surprisingly given the paucity of talent in the SNP he was right... they were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Hague quoted today saying that the Barnett Formula will be cut. I guess a cut is still a continuation but a bit of a stinker that to go with all the other u turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 HBs furious backtracking from all those months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 What Half Brick forgets to mention is that having Devo Max on the ballot paper was a "red line" for the Tories so it doesn't really matter what the SNP cabinet decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hahaha. Gordon Brown. Petition. What a fucking dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hahaha. Gordon Brown. Petition. What a fucking dick. What petition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Never thought I could be more embarrassed for my country when we voted No. But if anyone falls for the Gordon Brown petition farce then we really deserve everything we get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milners Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 What a fucking joke http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29432379 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "There's a Tory trap here." You don't fucking say. Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I wouldn't believe it, it's the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "There's a Tory trap here."You don't fucking say.Scotland Exactly. Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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