~~~ Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Says Tory MP David Davis http://news.sky.com/story/1323770/calls-to-strip-british-jihadists-of-passports Get the impression it's just a easy way for the UK Gov to wash it's hands off responsibility to deal with these people. I don't imagine anyone convicted of murder, rape etc... On UK soil will be under threat of deportation if they're citizens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If you go overseas to fight for a group that is (amongst others) against the UK then yes, you shouldn't be allowed back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 So go abroad to fight assad in syria, which our govt were so desperate to do anyway, and you're banned from the country? It's not exactly that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Let them come back, lock them away and throw away the key. Maybe some torture thrown in as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Says Tory MP David Davis http://news.sky.com/story/1323770/calls-to-strip-british-jihadists-of-passports Get the impression it's just a easy way for the UK Gov to wash it's hands off responsibility to deal with these people. I don't imagine anyone convicted of murder, rape etc... On UK soil will be under threat of deportation if they're citizens Good call - it's now the way of things to strip them of their citizenship "& that will teach the bounder a lesson!", forgetting the fact they'd rejected this country when they took up arms against it. Much of it is the fear of the son or daughter of someone prominent or someone well connected being caught out & wishing to prevent a latter day John Amery (whose trial was a fiasco as the Establishment did everything to find a way to get him off) or Anthony Blunt type scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 In the day the Tories would have been oppossed to UK citizens who joined the International Brigade and went to fight Franco's fascist regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If you go overseas to fight for a group that is (amongst others) against the UK then yes, you shouldn't be allowed back here. What if it was the same side as the UK at the start? What does being on the same side as the UK even mean - uk governement, uk army, uk public opinion, your opinion.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Will the government be doing the same for private miltary contractors? The go to more comflict zones, kill more people and do it for a more cynical reason. How about the elements of our own special forces who have no doubt been sent to syria to do some fighting? Seems to me this law isn't meant to target a specific crime, it's meant to target a specific demographic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiltrum Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Let them come back, lock them away and throw away the key. Maybe some torture thrown in as well. Water boarding,Thumbscrews,Baton, Chair with no seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I don't think that we should get into stripping people of their citizenship. If we do it for people committing crimes abroad, why not Gary Glitter style sex tourism, drug traffickers etc? During the conflict in Northern Ireland British citizens devoted themselves to murdering soldiers, policemen and members of the government but we didn't strip anyone of citizenship then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 What if it was the same side as the UK at the start?Which it was . America were helping them against Assad allegedly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 It is a tricky question. I don't think I agree with this, but David Davis is one of the least reactionary politicians going when it comes to anti-terror stuff, so I respect his opinions more than I would many others at Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 In the day the Tories would have been oppossed to UK citizens who joined the International Brigade and went to fight Franco's fascist regime. When I read the OP the first thing I thought of was the International Brigade. I think the notion of 'stripping citizenship' is a bit scary, where do you stop ? It potentially leaves people stateless, I suppose if there was a clause that if country A gives them a passport then they could lose citizenship of country B but I'm not comfortable with the idea. I prefer (not really what I mean but can't think of a better way to put it) the idea of locking up people who commit crimes rather than kicking them out the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookies Love Me Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 When I read the OP the first thing I thought of was the International Brigade. I think the notion of 'stripping citizenship' is a bit scary, where do you stop ? It potentially leaves people stateless, I suppose if there was a clause that if country A gives them a passport then they could lose citizenship of country B but I'm not comfortable with the idea. I prefer (not really what I mean but can't think of a better way to put it) the idea of locking up people who commit crimes rather than kicking them out the country. I know what you're trying to get over. But, in this case aren't they fighting to establish their own state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I know what you're trying to get over. But, in this case aren't they fighting to establish their own state? My point was more 'where do you draw the line' once the precedent has been set. Whoever is in power could then abuse it and even extend it to the likes of environmental campaigners (off the top of my head that one) or even journalists in foreign conflicts who don't report what the government want them too. Once your citizenship becomes up for debate it can be used to make people toe the line. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't think its likely any time soon but if its there it can be misused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 As others have mentioned this sounds more like a 'things that traditional Tory/UKIP voters like to hear' rather than a serious policy suggestion. Its just unworkable, for many of the reasons touched upon. It surely would only make those people more determined to attack the UK in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Google / wikipedia say that you can have your passport taken away if you have dual nationality under current laws. Removing your citizenship has to be proved to be "conducive to the public good". I'd imagine that this has covered usually people with dual nationality who have committed crimes in the UK. Deliberately making people stateless is wrong and won't make Britain safer or help us deal with terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrfields_Largs Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Water boarding,Thumbscrews,Baton, Chair with no seat? Season ticket at Parkhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 The UK is just shedding citizens now. Pleasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 How do they plan to distinguish between people there helping in a humanitarian effort or fighting for one of the other Syrian resistance groups and those within IS? They don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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