Florentine_Pogen Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/05/tommy-sheridan-perjury-conviction-news-world-to-be-reviewe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Photograph: Murdo Macleod for the Guardian Whit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Guilty or not, Tommy is a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It could be that Andy Coulson's conviction is seen as making this conviction unsafe. I'm not so sure that it does - can the SCCRC order a retrial? Considering that at no point did phone-hacking have anything to do with Sheridan being revealed as having visited sex clubs. Good. Question - do you think that Colin Fox, Rosie Kane, Alan McCoombes, Carolyn Leckie, Katrina Trolle and numerous other SSP members lied about what Tommy Sheridan said to them? If you believe Tommy Sheridan, you believe that they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It could be that Andy Coulson's conviction is seen as making this conviction unsafe. I'm not so sure that it does - can the SCCRC order a retrial? Considering that at no point did phone-hacking have anything to do with Sheridan being revealed as having visited sex clubs. Question - do you think that Colin Fox, Rosie Kane, Alan McCoombes, Carolyn Leckie, Katrina Trolle and numerous other SSP members lied about what Tommy Sheridan said to them? If you believe Tommy Sheridan, you believe that they did. I do not know whether he went to a sex club. I don't know whether he lied about it. I do know that this kind of trivial stuff is not important to my view of Sheridan. Yes I was disappointed that the whole thing blew up and destroyed the (albeit feeble) small socialist political movement that he had created. I also know that there is no possible lie he could tell that would make me take the side of News International. f**k them - they're scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I do not know whether he went to a sex club. I don't know whether he lied about it. I do know that this kind of trivial stuff is not important to my view of Sheridan. Yes I was disappointed that the whole thing blew up and destroyed the (albeit feeble) small socialist political movement that he had created. I also know that there is no possible lie he could tell that would make me take the side of News International. f**k them - they're scum. Suing a newspaper and then lying under oath in order to win money isn't trivial. Great use of the passive voice as well - the whole thing "blew up" in and of itself? Tommy Sheridan created the the case himself with his own arrogance - rather than admit he'd been caught out or even keep quiet about it he betrayed the people who he'd spent his entire political life working with. As I said above, Sheridan's defence is a huge lie not against News International (although your relativism is pretty nauseating) but against his former colleagues, one of whom went to prison to protect him in this whole affair. All the Wolfie Smith's who go misty eyed with Sheridan (hero worship being an infantilie disorder so often seen among some on the Left) would do well to remember that. ETA - Here's a blog written at the time by the SSPs youth wing about the case, and their experience of Sheridan - http://ssy.org.uk/2010/12/the-truth-about-tommy-sheridan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Suing a newspaper and then lying under oath in order to win money isn't trivial. Great use of the passive voice as well - the whole thing "blew up" in and of itself? Tommy Sheridan created the the case himself with his own arrogance - rather than admit he'd been caught out or even keep quiet about it he betrayed the people who he'd spent his entire political life working with. As I said above, Sheridan's defence is a huge lie not against News International (although your relativism is pretty nauseating) but against his former colleagues, one of whom went to prison to protect him in this whole affair. All the Wolfie Smith's who go misty eyed with Sheridan (hero worship being an infantilie disorder so often seen among some on the Left) would do well to remember that. ETA - Here's a blog written at the time by the SSPs youth wing about the case, and their experience of Sheridan - http://ssy.org.uk/2010/12/the-truth-about-tommy-sheridan/ Well I tried to put it as clearly and as honestly as I could. You, on the other hand, have reverted to being a passive aggressive c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Tommy Sheridan should be in the jail for being Tommy Sheridan, the biggest weapon of a man ever to walk the face of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Well I tried to put it as clearly and as honestly as I could. You, on the other hand, have reverted to being a passive aggressive c**t. Now that I've got that out of my system - I'll address the few points in your post that weren't wrapped up in knobbishness. I do blame Sheridan for creating the mess. It is a feeling of massive disappointment. There's no doubt the man has a massive ego - and it looks like it got the better of him in this instance. He was very much caught playing with fire. You appear to be nauseated by my reference to the lies of News International. It may have become popular in the last few years to oppose the organisation - and therefore it can be 'trendy' to defend them (for some people I guess). Fair enough. I have no time for them. If that opinion makes you nauseous then that's your problem rather than mine. Hero worship is most certainly not something I go in for. I do however believe in loyalty. He was able to articulate my politics in a way that very few others can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Suing a newspaper and then lying under oath in order to win money isn't trivial. Great use of the passive voice as well - the whole thing "blew up" in and of itself? Tommy Sheridan created the the case himself with his own arrogance - rather than admit he'd been caught out or even keep quiet about it he betrayed the people who he'd spent his entire political life working with. As I said above, Sheridan's defence is a huge lie not against News International (although your relativism is pretty nauseating) but against his former colleagues, one of whom went to prison to protect him in this whole affair. All the Wolfie Smith's who go misty eyed with Sheridan (hero worship being an infantilie disorder so often seen among some on the Left) would do well to remember that. ETA - Here's a blog written at the time by the SSPs youth wing about the case, and their experience of Sheridan - http://ssy.org.uk/2010/12/the-truth-about-tommy-sheridan/ That is a fucking long bitch, and I will try to finish it, after I've made tea. But so far I'd still support Sheridan in any battle v Murdoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I'm not at all surprised that ICTChris has once again weirdly darkened the door of Tommy's private life. Reading about the antics of Mazher Mahmood, I would question anything and everything his employers are involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I think he makes a good speech especially on the subject of independence but then again he went to jail for lying so why should i listen to a word he has to say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 #justicefortommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The far left seem to have a death wish which ultimately fecks them up. This is just another example of it. Sheridan was a hero and had a huge groundswell of support behind him. But does anyone really still believe that he didn't visit the sex clubs? See if he had just laughed it off and held his hands up to it, he would probably have lost very few of his supporters. "Och, what a laddie!" Instead, he split his party, which has come over subsequently as a vindictive wee collection of maddies. It's a great shame for something that could have made a real difference to the political scene in Scotland. I don't have much sympathy for him. His erstwhile party is now just another daft wee name on a long, long list of inconsequential entries on local election ballot papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Now that I've got that out of my system - I'll address the few points in your post that weren't wrapped up in knobbishness. I do blame Sheridan for creating the mess. It is a feeling of massive disappointment. There's no doubt the man has a massive ego - and it looks like it got the better of him in this instance. He was very much caught playing with fire. You appear to be nauseated by my reference to the lies of News International. It may have become popular in the last few years to oppose the organisation - and therefore it can be 'trendy' to defend them (for some people I guess). Fair enough. I have no time for them. If that opinion makes you nauseous then that's your problem rather than mine. Hero worship is most certainly not something I go in for. I do however believe in loyalty. He was able to articulate my politics in a way that very few others can. Your said that there was no lie that he could tell that would make you take the side of NI - do you think it's OK for him to bring a court case based on a lie, try to win hundreds of thousands of pounds based on a lie, label the people who he worked with his entire political life as liars and 'scabs' on a lie, drag people into court and quiz them on their sex lives on a lie, cause others to perjure themselves on a lie? Is that acceptable because the lie is told about News International? That attitude is nauseating. As for believing in loyalty, Sheridan showed absolutely zero loyalty to anyone but himself in the whole affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Suing a newspaper and then lying under oath in order to win money isn't trivial. Great use of the passive voice as well - the whole thing "blew up" in and of itself? Tommy Sheridan created the the case himself with his own arrogance - rather than admit he'd been caught out or even keep quiet about it he betrayed the people who he'd spent his entire political life working with. As I said above, Sheridan's defence is a huge lie not against News International (although your relativism is pretty nauseating) but against his former colleagues, one of whom went to prison to protect him in this whole affair. All the Wolfie Smith's who go misty eyed with Sheridan (hero worship being an infantilie disorder so often seen among some on the Left) would do well to remember that. ETA - Here's a blog written at the time by the SSPs youth wing about the case, and their experience of Sheridan - http://ssy.org.uk/2010/12/the-truth-about-tommy-sheridan/ it certainly was not written by "SSP's youth wing" it was written by one of the nutters that remained in the rump party after the split. Pretty amazing to think though that between 2003-2007 the SSP had more MSPs than the Lib Dems have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Your said that there was no lie that he could tell that would make you take the side of NI - do you think it's OK for him to bring a court case based on a lie, try to win hundreds of thousands of pounds based on a lie, label the people who he worked with his entire political life as liars and 'scabs' on a lie, drag people into court and quiz them on their sex lives on a lie, cause others to perjure themselves on a lie? Is that acceptable because the lie is told about News International? That attitude is nauseating. As for believing in loyalty, Sheridan showed absolutely zero loyalty to anyone but himself in the whole affair. Did you even read that embarrassing document you linked to earlier? Its childish and horrendous. I'm not saying that its not accurate - it may well be - but it certainly doesn't win me round. At no point did I say he did not lie. I clearly stated that I didn't know if he lied or not (its a he said, she said situation). If Sheridan has lied in court then he deserved to go to jail. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al666 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Good. When you are dead, you don't know you are dead. It's pain only for others. It's the same thing when you are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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