Jacksgranda Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Why? If the baker doesn't want to bake a cake with "gay pride" or whatever it said, why should he? this doesn't just go for promoting gay right, he should be able to refuse making any cake he wants. If i was a baker and i got an order asking me to make a cake with a King Billy, 1690 etc.. I wouldn't do it, should the state make me? If he decided he wouldn't service the guys because they are gay. thats a different story. I find it ridiculous these people are taking legal action against him because of it, I seen a quote earlier that said something along the lines of, I don't believe gay people have been fighting for their rights just so they could trample on other peoples You did that on purpose, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 You are trying to make me out to be stupid, not cool. As far as I am concerned they did discriminate. I the owners had kept it to "we just didn't want to make it" as opposed to the bible, man & woman not 2 men shite, they might have got away with it. You're trying to make me out to be some sort of bigot apologised. They didn't want to customise a cake.. It would be different if they turned around and said they don't serve gay people. As i said earlier, it's kinda ironic gay people have been fighting for rights for so long, and this guy decided he wants to trample on other peoples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 And in this case, they refused (or claim they refused) because they were uncomfortable with the message, not the people they were serving. I suspect it would be difficult to prove this as discriminatory. I would completely disagree and suggest that saying they are uncomfortable with the message shows exactly why they are being discriminatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 As far as I understand it (and I admit I'm no expert) if they refused to make the cake because the couple were gay then they're breaking the law. If they refused to do it because of the message on the cake (whatever it is) then they're just narrow minded. I get where people are coming from with the 'if there was only one baker in town' stuff but c'mon, its the 21st century and the internet is full of folk who will provide all kinds of service (steady !). You might have to pay a bit more for it but if I lived in a village with a small cornershop as the only shop I couldn't really bitch if they didn't have my favourite bottle of wine. Its two sets of arseholes who are hiding behind 'rights'. No one comes out of it looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 You're trying to make me out to be some sort of bigot apologised. They didn't want to customise a cake.. It would be different if they turned around and said they don't serve gay people. As i said earlier, it's kinda ironic gay people have been fighting for rights for so long, and this guy decided he wants to trample on other peoples You're better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 You're trying to make me out to be some sort of bigot apologised. They didn't want to customise a cake.. It would be different if they turned around and said they don't serve gay people. As i said earlier, it's kinda ironic gay people have been fighting for rights for so long, and this guy decided he wants to trample on other peoples They refused the cake because their religion said gay relationships are wrong, they handily provided some quotes to prove this. They ARE bigots on those grounds alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 This is exactly the behaviour that excludes minorities in small communities. Enforcing their values on them. "You can have a cake but not one that acknowledges your legal relationship". This is the kind of thing that unpopular minorities and immigrants meet in smaller communities. Doesn't it work both ways? "oh wait you don't want to make a cake promoting gay pride, tough shit, you have no choice, we're taking you to court" Again, you seem to be misunderstanding my argument about a business refusing to customise a cake for someone, and a business refusing to serve someone simply because they are gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 They refused the cake because their religion said gay relationships are wrong, they handily provided some quotes to prove this. They ARE bigots on those grounds alone. Did they refuse to serve the individuals because they are gay? A simple yes or no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 You did that on purpose, right? Must have been subconscious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I would completely disagree and suggest that saying they are uncomfortable with the message shows exactly why they are being discriminatory. So they should have been forced to make the cake despite the message being at odds with their religious beliefs? Sounds awfully discriminatory to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Must have been subconscious I'll refrain from posting anything in response to that............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 A simple yes or no We don't even know if the person who ordered the cake was gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 If I was asked to make a Tory cake I'd have a dump in the mix and charge them double. Value added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 We don't even know if the person who ordered the cake was gay. You could have just said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Serve Away and shite. If you own a business you also have rights, if you don't want to customize a cake, you should be able to without the fear of being taken to court. You're a bigot apologist trying to hide behind a shit 'rights' argument. You'd have been the sort in the 60's arguing the 'rights' of landlords to have signs saying "no blacks or Irish". A business has the right to refuse service to anyone it desires. It does not have the right to refuse service on discriminatory grounds. Exactly. Anyone with access to the Internet who doesn't understand this should not contribute to this thread. As far as I understand it (and I admit I'm no expert) if they refused to make the cake because the couple were gay then they're breaking the law. If they refused to do it because of the message on the cake (whatever it is) then they're just narrow minded. I get where people are coming from with the 'if there was only one baker in town' stuff but c'mon, its the 21st century and the internet is full of folk who will provide all kinds of service (steady !). You might have to pay a bit more for it but if I lived in a village with a small cornershop as the only shop I couldn't really bitch if they didn't have my favourite bottle of wine. Its two sets of arseholes who are hiding behind 'rights'. No one comes out of it looking good. No it's absolutely not. It's one set of people looking to exercise their hard fought for rights and a set of narrow minded bigots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 You could have just said no. If we are gonna give any religious group free reign to do what they want because "it's their beliefs" it's gonna get very messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 So they should have been forced to make the cake despite the message being at odds with their religious beliefs? Sounds awfully discriminatory to me... Tough. If you want to hold discriminatory beliefs, don't run a public-serving business. This is just the B&B case all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 This is just the B&B case all over again. I'm assuming rico agrees with the B&B couple refusing to give a room to the gay couple. I believe the couple in question quotes it was their "religious beliefs" that wouldn't allow then to let them have a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm assuming rico agrees with the B&B couple refusing to give a room to the gay couple. I believe the couple in question quotes it was their "religious beliefs" that wouldn't allow then to let them have a room.I generally think Enrico is one of the better OF posters on the site, but he's wrong on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 We don't even know if the person who ordered the cake was gay. I'm going to take a 'wild stab in the dark' and say aye, probably gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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