conboyhibs Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Why did you change your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrunitedfw Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I have went from no to undecided. The main reason for this being is that Better Together seems to be focusing on the negatives of independance rather than the positives of staying as part of the union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I have went from no to undecided. The main reason for this being is that Better Together seems to be focusing on the negatives of independance rather than the positives of staying as part of the union. I think that has something to do with having no positives for the.union. Unless your.into the team GB, bigger is better crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_team_for_me Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I know 6 people personally and loads online who have changed to yes just because of Westminster's attitude towards Scotland the last few days. They think denying Scotland the quid will make people turn to voting no when its in fact having the total opposite effect. Some people are seeing it as some sort of attack on Scotland and are becoming quite defensive. Then you got that Lamont and her antics, waving union flags like some crazed bnp nut job. If BT and Westminster keep going the way they are Scotland will be independent come the day after the big vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonMan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The more I looked into it the more I realised we've got more than enough to survive as our own country. I was sceptical at first, but now I realise that we're more than capable. I'm tired of the Better Together campaign harping on about uncertainty. After the White Paper they accused it of being full of ifs and maybes, but it was then I realised that even though it was to an extent, the nationalists had at least set out some sort of plan while the Better Together campaign hadn't actually given us a positive argument to stay with a union that has a government we didn't elect, has provided us with expensive and deadly nuclear weapons no one wants while people have to go to foodbanks, and looks likely to give us more and more cuts, while squandering our future wealth on illegal wars. I do think the Yes side has uncertainties and even though I was leaning to Yes, I kept on being held back by these. But once I realised the no side has just as much, if not more uncertainty, then I felt that the chance to give Scotland a government elected only by our own people who represent our own interests was a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I went from "not-giving-a-f**k" to "Yes", mainly as a result of working in the Welfare sector and seeing the Tory government's outright bullying of the disabled first hand. I like to think we'd be better than that in an Independent Scotland, and was pleased to see that a fairer overhaul of the Welfare system is planned, including the "bedroom tax" being fucked into oblivion. My views have been confirmed recently by the patronising shite from BT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Bollocks fear tactics, including from the Scotsman and P+J editorials, and last but not least George Osbourne today. Fcuk the pound, let's go with the Euro, Bitcoin or Dollar. Or the Buckfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 My dad changed from no to soft yes because of the bitter together mob talking Scotland down all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnd Jonny Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The realisation that any sort of want for equality is dead in England (or in the south at least) and the fear that any type of labour revolution - which I had planned on waiting for - may just land us with another Blair. I voted for Ed Miliband in the election of leader but every day I find myself seeing more and more sense in Galloway's overused analogy of them simply being one of "three cheeks of the same a*se". Basically it's all merging into one in London and it directly opposes the socialist beliefs that I was raised on and that I believe most of Scotland upholds. I want out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fony Titz Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Bollocks fear tactics, including from the Scotsman and P+J editorials, and last but not least George Osbourne today. Fcuk the pound, let's go with the Euro, Bitcoin or Dollar. Or the Buckfast.Buckfast is English, will it go up in price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Went from No to YES on the day the White Paper was released, got pissed off after watching 8 hours of negativity interspersed with the odd YES spokesperson, the childcare part also opened up my mind to the possibilities that independence offers. I've hardened my stance to a YES 'til I go. Today I spoke to a businessperson who I recently converted to YES, he was as upbeat as me as he'd spent all day speaking to his clients(mainly blue rinse women) who were all taking the "fcuk them" stance, now I'll just have to hope that Salmond & Co's judgement is correct. At least that's devo max off the table, nobody is going to believe any promises now unless their in a legally binding document. This is as bad as gets for YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 My only problem with the Yes argument, is that there seems to be a lack of understanding towards why somebody will vote No. Now they will say, 'but I haven't heard a good argument for voting NO'. To an extent I can see their point, but the Yes campaign has got to remember that a fair amount of undecided to NO voters are voting because they are genuinely content with what they have, or they have an emotional attachment to the Union that logical points will not shift, shouting them down and makindgderogatory digs will not help. This is why I have continued to keep putting myself in the shoes of a NO voter instead of shouting down their points, refusing aggressive persuasion as I've seen particularly on this thread many a time as well as my Twitter feed. There is still a larger amount of people in my hometown that are probably more in the majority of the No vote if anything (must be an east coast thing), whenever I talk to my mates about it in the pub. I could engage them, but I know that it would probably end in some verge of tears bitter argument and I refuse to get caught up in that in terms of risking the night out itself and pushing them further towards a NO. From a NO perspective, if I'm thinking about it in the shoes of hardcore NO, then yeah I'm seeing it still as a risk that I should right question if it's worth gambling, I'm seeing a lack of transparency on the unnecessary need to keep the pound(Yes XBL I know lunacy to keep the pound on the first day, but not what I'm saying), when what they should have done is stated something along the lines of keep the currency until the end of the administration and put the agenda towards the wishes of the public vote in terms of the currency, along with the EU, and the Monarchy. I also would be thinking about it with some kind of dislike towards Salmond, the SNP and in particular the WoS blog. Fortunately for myself, when I read their stuff I then start to notice that my arguments for the NO become out of spite to be against the SNP, rather than what I myself genuinely want to vote for in terms of Scotlands future. Personally, I find that I can overlook such annoyances as the Wos blog, or the SNP's need to turn everything Green without being more pragmatic about it, Sturgeon as a person in general, and that in spite of those reasons and the others mentioned, I still kinda want it to be YES, that I can argue against other YES voters, call them on their bullshit, and as strength. I then start to realise the irony that an extreme amount (there are obviously some exceptions) of the Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem are forgetting a lot of the reasons that they used to stand for, foregoing those very morals to go against the SNP out of spite and self-preservation, instead of because of what they want Scotland as a nation to be. If a third of the Yes vote can challenge themselves between so many of their peers, then surely the big majority from a proportional perspective should be at the very least in the same ballpark. I mean how many civil arguments to you see between the BT campaign do you genuinely see in their disagreements in what they want Scotland to be like in the event of NO vote. I am Jambo-Rocker, and I'm am now 100% voting YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Because of the lack of reasoned political debate and whatabbotery/scaremongering from the better together muppets. I really despise Labour now, they fought for devolution then turned down devo max then joined forces with the Torries. Also a no vote will make Scotland a very weak force politically, especially with the Tories in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I really despise Labour now This. I'm a former labour voter, but the woman in the audience in Greenock had it spot on recently when she called them "Tories in red ties". They aren't Labour any more, they're diet Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Don Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 My father. Lifelong Rangers fan & Unionist. I had a few discussions with him and got absolutely nowhere. Completely frustrating, so I'd given up trying purely for family harmony. He called me last night and launched into a rant over Osbourne's speech, ''how dare they, blah blah.'' Straight from no to yes, brilliant result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 My father. Lifelong Rangers fan & Unionist. I had a few discussions with him and got absolutely nowhere. Completely frustrating, so I'd given up trying purely for family harmony. He called me last night and launched into a rant over Osbourne's speech, ''how dare they, blah blah.'' Straight from no to yes, brilliant result. Gaun yer Dad!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 My father. Lifelong Rangers fan & Unionist. I had a few discussions with him and got absolutely nowhere. Completely frustrating, so I'd given up trying purely for family harmony. He called me last night and launched into a rant over Osbourne's speech, ''how dare they, blah blah.'' Straight from no to yes, brilliant result. Twitter is full of such stories. It's happening folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Twitter is full of such stories. It's happening folks! It's the rapture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 My father. Lifelong Rangers fan & Unionist. I had a few discussions with him and got absolutely nowhere. Completely frustrating, so I'd given up trying purely for family harmony. He called me last night and launched into a rant over Osbourne's speech, ''how dare they, blah blah.'' Straight from no to yes, brilliant result. Fcuk, do you want me to cheer a Rangers fan now, I was offered a cup of coffee in a Rangers cup last night, he was telt where to go with his sneaky wee smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Lies! HB said it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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