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10 hours ago, peasy23 said:
11 hours ago, Shanner said:
Shame how this has panned out but sympathy has to be limited as it seems self inflicted. Hope they get something sorted though. 
Ground sharing is ok within your own town like the Clydebank/ Yoker situation but travelling to another place to watch home games has to be a massive pain in the hole. 

You can bet they wish they had kept the many thousands that Jimmy Lindsay spunked away on an underachieving squad.

Indeed. I'm obviously not privy to the full workings but from the outside it looked like the money was burning a hole in their pocket and they lost sight of the fact they had a future to consider. 

Marvin Andrews ffs. 

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20 minutes ago, Bul2 said:


You never know..... they sound like ideal candidates for a step up to the “Pyramid” ...... no money, no ground, big ideas ......... ideal candidates

That doesn't seem all that far fetched now you mention it.

It would definitely be borne of desperation in their case but it's the sort of move teams make when backed into a corner and they might see the extra income as a way to help secure new digs. 

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Was rumoured they were moving to Petershill before the start of this season, maybe looking at sharing with Rossvale would be better in the short term as its closer to Kirkie and not so far for the fans to travel.

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Was rumoured they were moving to Petershill before the start of this season, maybe looking at sharing with Rossvale would be better in the short term as its closer to Kirkie and not so far for the fans to travel.
As was proved when Rossvale had to move their Scottish tie with Pollok, Huntershill was deemed incapable of holding a big crowd, and at least some of Rob Roy's league matches would fall into that category. BSC were also looking at Petershill but that was a non starter as they would never get first call on the park.

Any time someone queried what was mentioned further up they were shot down by the multitude of Rabs fans on here. The party line was that the money being spent on players was from the sale of the land that the social club sat on, and the sale of Adamslie would pay towards the new ground. Even when anyone pointed out that they didn't even have a confirmed site for the new ground when they left it was met with "everything is going to be fine." To deny that the 6 figure plus sum that was spunked on Andrews et al would be handy now is once again burying heads in the sand.

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Questions that remain unanswered:

Is the money from the sale of Adamslie (the Stadium) in the bank, and how much of it has already been spent.

Is there anything left of the money they received for the sale of the social club site.

How much longer are Cumbernauld (George Watson) prepared to have them at Guys Meadow, bearing in mind that it is also having a serious impact on their ability to get games played.

Is the Rossvale ground an option they would consider, bearing in mind its very limited spectator accommodation, lack of covered area, no easily accessible toilet facility, no catering  facilities. If it was, I would think they would be looking at it already.

Are their any other availabe options in the immediate area. Broadwood? Already got Clyde and Cumbernauld Colts.  Ashfield? It seems not.  Petershill? Now that Rossvale are gone, why not? Duncansfield? They already have approached us , but bearing in mind the damage that would be done to a grass pitch we did not accept their offer, we can live without it.

Like many others, I fear for their future , they were always our biggest rivals, but to see them disappear would be a disaster.

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Have been told Dunipace are getting an artificial pitch put in at the end of the season - that could be an option, although I was also told that Dunipace have requested away games for the first 6 weeks of next season.

 

 

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The longer the Rob Roy saga rumbles on it seems the less likely a new stadium will ever materialise.Not a good scenario.

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On ‎12‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 10:24, garrellburn said:

Questions that remain unanswered:

1. Is the money from the sale of Adamslie (the Stadium) in the bank, and how much of it has already been spent.

2. Is there anything left of the money they received for the sale of the social club site.

3. How much longer are Cumbernauld (George Watson) prepared to have them at Guys Meadow, bearing in mind that it is also having a serious impact on their ability to get games played.

4. Is the Rossvale ground an option they would consider, bearing in mind its very limited spectator accommodation, lack of covered area, no easily accessible toilet facility, no catering  facilities. If it was, I would think they would be looking at it already.

5. Are their any other availabe options in the immediate area. Broadwood? Already got Clyde and Cumbernauld Colts.  Ashfield? It seems not.  Petershill? Now that Rossvale are gone, why not? Duncansfield? They already have approached us , but bearing in mind the damage that would be done to a grass pitch we did not accept their offer, we can live without it.

Like many others, I fear for their future , they were always our biggest rivals, but to see them disappear would be a disaster.

Answers from the info I have from a mate who lives in Kirky and has pals who watch the Rabs.

1, Yes, there is seemingly over £1 million from the sale of the ground to be put into the new build, and afaik that money from the sale of the actual ground is untouched.

2. Yes but not much, as a lot of that money has been used to keep the club going over the last few years.

3. Nobody at Cumbernauld has mentioned any desire for the Rabs to leave, but it has obviously been detrimental to Cumbernauld on the pitch to have them as tenants.

4. Probably not, as some of their league crowds would be too big (e.g. v Pollok and Talbot) and the games would have to be moved, and cup ties too depending on the opposition.

5. They were very close to moving to Petershill last summer, but afaik it was the fans who wanted to stay at Guys Meadow. 

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Just looking back at the thread from last year..

Note that it says that stage 1 was supposed to be funded entirely by Rob Roy, so is it the case that if permission is granted for them to use the land then there shouldn't be much difference in the original phase 1?

Feeling in the town seems to be that some councillors now think the land could/should be sold off for more money rather than granting it to the Rabs to build on. 

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8 hours ago, peasy23 said:

Just looking back at the thread from last year..

Note that it says that stage 1 was supposed to be funded entirely by Rob Roy, so is it the case that if permission is granted for them to use the land then there shouldn't be much difference in the original phase 1?

Feeling in the town seems to be that some councillors now think the land could/should be sold off for more money rather than granting it to the Rabs to build on. 

The development above was supposed to be for Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club not KRR. KRR are/were members of KCSC along with several other sports clubs. The funding for this was coming from the council and KRR were contributing. The second phase was  supposed to be funded by obtaining access to funding from Sports Scotland, Lottery etc etc. The council were putting in circa £1 million pounds for the first phase, are KRR sitting with that type of money in the bank?

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21 minutes ago, GLESGABOY said:

The development above was supposed to be for Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club not KRR. KRR are/were members of KCSC along with several other sports clubs. The funding for this was coming from the council and KRR were contributing. The second phase was  supposed to be funded by obtaining access to funding from Sports Scotland, Lottery etc etc. The council were putting in circa £1 million pounds for the first phase, are KRR sitting with that type of money in the bank?

Yes (If Altior wins tomorrow).

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1 hour ago, GLESGABOY said:

The development above was supposed to be for Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club not KRR. KRR are/were members of KCSC along with several other sports clubs. The funding for this was coming from the council and KRR were contributing. The second phase was  supposed to be funded by obtaining access to funding from Sports Scotland, Lottery etc etc. The council were putting in circa £1 million pounds for the first phase, are KRR sitting with that type of money in the bank?

From that other thread...

"The first phase will be funded by Rob Roy while the first phase is being built the club will be seeking funding from different bodies (this process has been ongoing for a while) to finish off phase two .

 

Single storey Community Sports Facility building with a full size 3G Sports Pitch, Multi-purpose Sports Pitch (3 sevens pitches) , community building with changing facilities and associated car and bus parking.

The development will be delivered in phases;

Phase 1 - Latest FIFA approved 3G Pitch, 500 seated covered Stand, car/bus park and single storey building with Social club facilities and Changing rooms.

Phase 2 - Multi-purpose sports pitch, double height Community hall and upper floor Community facilities."

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2 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

From that other thread...

"The first phase will be funded by Rob Roy while the first phase is being built the club will be seeking funding from different bodies (this process has been ongoing for a while) to finish off phase two .

 

Single storey Community Sports Facility building with a full size 3G Sports Pitch, Multi-purpose Sports Pitch (3 sevens pitches) , community building with changing facilities and associated car and bus parking.

The development will be delivered in phases;

Phase 1 - Latest FIFA approved 3G Pitch, 500 seated covered Stand, car/bus park and single storey building with Social club facilities and Changing rooms.

Phase 2 - Multi-purpose sports pitch, double height Community hall and upper floor Community facilities."

NobRoy Guy also finally admits on the thread somewhere that the council were funding it to the tune of £1 million and that KRR weren`t funding it. The planning etc was all submitted by Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club and not KRR. The funding for phase 2 was subject to the successful completion and operation of a community venture that was inclusive for the other minority sports groups that are also members of KCSC. I`m guessing that KCSC will now be wound up and the £233k that KRR had donated to them will now be returned to KRR. So they have £233k to be starting with...............

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13 hours ago, GLESGABOY said:

NobRoy Guy also finally admits on the thread somewhere that the council were funding it to the tune of £1 million and that KRR weren`t funding it. The planning etc was all submitted by Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club and not KRR. The funding for phase 2 was subject to the successful completion and operation of a community venture that was inclusive for the other minority sports groups that are also members of KCSC. I`m guessing that KCSC will now be wound up and the £233k that KRR had donated to them will now be returned to KRR. So they have £233k to be starting with...............

And in terms of building a ground from scratch £233k will hardly do the groundwork and drainage for the pitch, let alone buy the actual playing surface.

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Statement below is on the club website:

The proposed development of the Southbank site under the banner of Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club (KCSC), of which Rob Roy was one of the founder members, can no longer be supported by East Dunbartonshire Council (EDC). This is due to KCSC being unable to deliver on the full funding package.

An open marketing exercise for the site will now be conducted by EDC. Offers from interested parties must be consistent with the approved and acceptable use classes and must support the delivery of the Local Outcome Improvement Plan.
 
Rob Roy now has the opportunity to bid for the site and develop its own community football facility.
Please can everyone seize this opportunity and lend their support to our application by signing our petition and raising awareness amongst the local community and businesses.
 
A Members' meeting will be arranged in due course. I will also set up a Q&A session for supporters.
 
Neil Anderson
President
 
Anyone wishing to sign the petition to East Dunbartonshire Council can do so here: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RobRoysReturnHome

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Not knowing the ins and outs of EDC -

  1. are the council likely to gift the land to the Roy for them to fund the new ground themselves? OR
  2. are the council going to make the Roy buy the land for the new ground? OR
  3. are the council more likely to sell it off to the house builder (or similar) that gives them the most money? OR
  4. a different option?

The Roy really should be back home.

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Not knowing the ins and outs of EDC -
  1. are the council likely to gift the land to the Roy for them to fund the new ground themselves? OR
  2. are the council going to make the Roy buy the land for the new ground? OR
  3. are the council more likely to sell it off to the house builder (or similar) that gives them the most money? OR
  4. a different option?
The Roy really should be back home.
As I posted further up, the original plan involved the council granting the land to the project, but feeling in the town now seems to be that many councillors think they should sell it to the highest bidder, and if the Rabs can't afford that then tough. I've no idea if there are any restrictions on the site whether it would even be an option for a housebuilder or not. There is/was a cement works at the back end of the site but it is just basically wasteland at the moment.

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1 hour ago, peasy23 said:

As I posted further up, the original plan involved the council granting the land to the project, but feeling in the town now seems to be that many councillors think they should sell it to the highest bidder, and if the Rabs can't afford that then tough. I've no idea if there are any restrictions on the site whether it would even be an option for a housebuilder or not. There is/was a cement works at the back end of the site but it is just basically wasteland at the moment.

And its highly polluted wasteland at that.  Strewn with asbestos sheeting, concrete, tyres, oil pollution; you name it, its all there. The cleanup costs alone will run into hundreds of thousands.  I think it rather unlikely a residential development will be an option. 

It is the best place for a new sports facility but there are already all weather, floodlit 5 a sides pitches both at the sports/swimming pool centre not far away, and at Bishopbriggs leisuredrome only about 4 miles distant which might limit the earning potential of the same thing at the canal bank.

It really is an unholy mess and I wonder just how much longer they can carry on.

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3 hours ago, Jason King said:

Not knowing the ins and outs of EDC -

  1. are the council likely to gift the land to the Roy for them to fund the new ground themselves? OR
  2. are the council going to make the Roy buy the land for the new ground? OR
  3. are the council more likely to sell it off to the house builder (or similar) that gives them the most money? OR
  4. a different option?

The Roy really should be back home.

The answer is contained within the councils statement. The land is going to the open market. There`s no question of them gifting anything. Their involvement ended as soon as it was confirmed that there would be a massive shortfall in funding. If KRR want the land they will have to be the highest bidder on an open market basis. EDC haven`t shafted them. The EDC funding commitment was conditional on the balance required to deliver the project being funded out to completion. Their business plan/model failed due to a lack of funding.

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