the snudge Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 West dunbartonshire councillors are a shower of c***s. Especially the Clydebank lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Consolidate said: I’m not sure I see any sinister manoeuvres here. Clydebank want to tart up an existing ground whilst Brabco wanted to construct something entirely new at a poorly accessed swamp. Apples and pears surely? Succinct & spot on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 5 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Given the very terse statement which has appeared on OS I may have now have an answer to my own question above. And it still really rankles that Dumbarton Football Club is having to put its name to this, whilst the proponents of the move remain in the background. If only the worst thing about that statement was the phrase "at this moment in time". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, Howlin' Wilf said: If only the worst thing about that statement was the phrase "at this moment in time". Or indeed "going forward". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Succinct & spot on. Indeed. Clydebank rebuilt from Ground Zero and have worked assiduously towards re-establishing themselves in a permanent home.Dumbarton's owners, on the other hand, have worked equally assiduously to starve a perfectly adequate facility of investment whilst conducting a 'bad neighbours' campaign of black propaganda in order to further their prrofit-driven aims.Perhaps folk should carefully consider the issues before we rush to judgement about perceived parochial bias. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Indeed. Clydebank rebuilt from Ground Zero and have worked assiduously towards re-establishing themselves in a permanent home. Dumbarton's owners, on the other hand, have worked equally assiduously to starve a perfectly adequate facility of investment whilst conducting a 'bad neighbours' campaign of black propaganda in order to further their prrofit-driven aims. Perhaps folk should carefully consider the issues before we rush to judgement about perceived parochial bias. The voting seems to have been along parochial lines though and not for the first time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Indeed. Clydebank rebuilt from Ground Zero and have worked assiduously towards re-establishing themselves in a permanent home. Dumbarton's owners, on the other hand, have worked equally assiduously to starve a perfectly adequate facility of investment whilst conducting a 'bad neighbours' campaign of black propaganda in order to further their prrofit-driven aims. Perhaps folk should carefully consider the issues before we rush to judgement about perceived parochial bias. I can't think of an owner of DFC in my lifetime that wasn't profit driven. The amazing thing was that most of them took a profit too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The voting seems to have been along parochial lines though and not for the first time. I don't think there's any mileage in pursuing this line Wilf; I'm struggling to fathom why Clydebank councillors voting against the proposal is given any more importance than two local Tories. I'd also heard that the SNP group had been encouraged by their Group Leader to vote in favour - why exactly ? Can't councillors be trusted to reach their own decisions ?We also need to bear in mind that the Planning Committee had recommended rejection, not to mention that there is hardly a Sons fan who was convinced of the plan's merits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: I don't think there's any mileage in pursuing this line Wilf; I'm struggling to fathom why Clydebank councillors voting against the proposal is given any more importance than two local Tories. I'd also heard that the SNP group had been encouraged by their Group Leader to vote in favour - why exactly ? Can't councillors be trusted to reach their own decisions ? We also need to bear in mind that the Planning Committee had recommended rejection, not to mention that there is hardly a Sons fan who was convinced of the plan's merits. There is no mileage in it OKI, however, in these times isn't it heart-warming to find that the Labour and SNP councillors in Dumbarton and Clydebank can separately unite on something? The vote seems to have been along Dumbarton/Clydebank lines rather than party lines. Parochialism is alive and well. Yeah we were all pretty ambivalent about the plan but when push came to shove Sonstrust supported it after a survey of members. That's pretty much because the alternative might be worse, as I think we may be about to discover. Lets hope that Dumbarton FC's future doesn't in any way rely on another cooncil vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I don't think there's any mileage in pursuing this line Wilf; I'm struggling to fathom why Clydebank councillors voting against the proposal is given any more importance than two local Tories. I'd also heard that the SNP group had been encouraged by their Group Leader to vote in favour - why exactly ? Can't councillors be trusted to reach their own decisions ?We also need to bear in mind that the Planning Committee had recommended rejection, not to mention that there is hardly a Sons fan who was convinced of the plan's merits. Of course there is no point in pursuing it but the fact that the vote is so clearly split is relevant. With the planners being against it the only way that the council could vote in favour would be if they felt the community benefits outweighed the planning difficulties. Dumbarton and vale councillors clearly felt they did. Clydebank councillors, having no interest in dumbarton, voted against. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I’m not sure I see any sinister manoeuvres here. Clydebank want to tart up an existing ground whilst Brabco wanted to construct something entirely new at a poorly accessed swamp. Apples and pears surely? To an extent it's apples and pears but both scenarios involve football clubs. One of the main arguments against DFCs new ground was access for cars. There would be queues on the A82 on match days.We are talking about crowds of a few hundred. In a years time Clydebank intend turning senior with a view to joining the EOSL or a new west league. So within a few years it is perfectly feasible that they could be in league two, certainly the lowland league. They could easily be getting crowds of up to five hundred. They would not get in to the league without the ground being licenced and that will only happen because of the money being spent by the council. So the council are paving the way for potentially increased crowds at Holm park. Is access at Holm Park any better? Queues on to Dumbarton Road? In one case it appears to me that some councillors are sympathetic to the community contribution made by a football club but in the other they are not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I know for a fact the Clydebank councillors do not give a damn about Dumbarton as a whole and are still bitter about Clydebank District being amalgamated with us lot up here. I've asked one of them about it and they said " I don't care about Dumbarton, it's not my area". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo71 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Surely there is a case for appeal based on clear Councillor bias...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons Fan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Interesting times ahead for the club for sure. I tuned out from the stadium convo about 6 months ago as I got bored with the back and forth, so apologies if this has been raised/ answered. What happens now with the walk way and parking/ visitor centre for the castle? Surely the council have kind of screwed themself as now that won’t go ahead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I can honestly say that if Stevie the Negative Wonder is still Manager for next Season, (whatever League Sons are in) I won't be renewing my Season Ticket. I've watched Sons on & off since a kid In the mid-1970's & I'd rather we lost 5-3 giving it a go than 1,2 or 3-0 with no fight. I shall be picking my matches to attend & paying at the gate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 My immediate reaction to the last two games has been how the f*** have we amassed 27 points ?Today confirmed what some of us have long suspected, that Dowie, Wardrop and McLaughlin have been the glue holding us together.Today was a shambles; it's thankfully seldom I'm ever embarrassed by Sons but sadly this was one of those occasions.I've got the dentist this Friday and hospitality on Saturday, and I know which one I'm dreading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Silverton End said: I can honestly say that if Stevie the Negative Wonder is still Manager for next Season, (whatever League Sons are in) I won't be renewing my Season Ticket. I've watched Sons on & off since a kid In the mid-1970's & I'd rather we lost 5-3 giving it a go than 1,2 or 3-0 with no fight. I shall be picking my matches to attend & paying at the gate. Whilst I'm not taking such drastic action as that, today made my decision to miss my first league game since March 2012 (against Brechin, it finished 2-2) on Tuesday evening an easy one. I had been toying with the idea of going to Tannadice, even though it would be tight with leaving work, and with the prospect of only a few hours sleep before I was in the office on Wednesday, but there's no chance I'm going for it now. Hopefully it will go like the other games I've missed and we'll get a nice three points - but I can't see it, not even against a pretty poor United team. To quote my Granda, I'm scunnered with us at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleslie99 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 What we don't have it seems is a fighter, someone who will get everyone else up for it and battle till the end. We arent going to win games being the better footballing side, we know we dont have the players or budget for that. What frustrates me is no-one stepping up and flying into a tackle, chasing lost causes or trying to make something happen. Everyone seems to be hiding at the moment. We're ending the season at a whimper and God help us im the playoffs. Ayr, raith or whoever it is will be licking their lips at potentially facing us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 From Andy G's Twitter: "We've scored in 5 home league games in a calendar year. A total of 8 goals. At our fortress, in a league we're in our 6th season in." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsanorak Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Assuming Dowie was injured today and not dropped; I think part of our problem has been inconsistent selections on top of the injuries. Different back four for the last 12 games i think. At least. (Looked back, surprised myself, got bored, chucked it.) Put the different wide midfield options through as well and its no wonder theres a lack of understanding at times amongst the players. Our most consistently picked players, and who show the best understanding, are carswell and hutton. I dont expect Aitkens comments to achieve much unless he stands by them and drops some players. Imo he's made mistakes in bringing players back from injury and picking them straight away. Aitken must now find a selection and shape that will see us more potent up front. Take the three goals from corners at brechin out of it and there's precious few goals from open play.Be glad for brechin, that would be us if it had been raith that stayed up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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