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05/06/12 - Dougie Samuel (Spartans)

04/12/16 - Stewart Petrie (Montrose)

02/06/17 - Peter Murphy (Annan Athletic)

08/11/18 - Robbie Horn (Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic)

26/11/20 - David Martindale (Livingston) (Caretaker initially, officially confirmed 21/12/20)

29/05/21 - Stevie Farrell (Dumbarton)

20/12/21 - Darren Young (Stirling Albion)

21/12/21 - Dougie Imrie (Morton)

04/01/22 - Derek McInnes (Kilmarnock)

22/02/22 - Stephen Robinson (St Mirren)

04/05/22 - John McGlynn (Falkirk)

24/05/22 - Ian Murray (Raith Rovers)

24/05/22 - James McPake (Dunfermline Athletic)

26/05/22 - Rhys McCabe (Airdrieonians)

23/06/22 - John Rankin (Hamilton Academical) (caretaker initially, confirmed 28/06/22)

25/09/22 - Greig McDonald (East Fife) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 25/10/22)

10/11/22 - Ray McKinnon (Forfar Athletic)

03/01/23 - Gary Naysmith (Stenhousemuir)

05/01/23 - Paul Hartley (Cove Rangers)

08/01/23 - Marvin Bartley (Queen of the South)

28/01/23 - Barry Robson (Aberdeen)

11/02/23 - Stuart Kettlewell (Motherwell) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 22/02/23)

12/02/23 - Kris Doolan (Partick Thistle) (caretaker initially, confirmed 03/03/23)

01/03/23 - Jim Goodwin (Dundee United)

21/03/23 - Ryan Strachan & Jordon Brown (Peterhead) (Caretakers initially, confirmed 25/04/23)

*09/04/23 - Steven Naismith (Heart of Midlothian) - See note

17/04/23 - Scott Agnew (Stranraer)

07/05/23 - Michael Tidser (Kelty Hearts)

29/05/23 - Tony Docherty (Dundee)

19/06/23 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

11/09/23 - Nick Montgomery (Hibernian)

26/09/23 - Duncan Ferguson (Inverness Caledonian Thistle)

09/10/23 - Michael McIndoe (Edinburgh City)

15/10/23 - Philippe Clement (Rangers)

05/11/23 - Craig Levein (St Johnstone)

15/11/23 - Ian McCall (Clyde)

15/11/23 - Andy Graham (Alloa Athletic)

20/11/23 - Derek Adams (Ross County)

04/12/23 - Jim McIntyre (Arbroath)

05/12/23 - Allan Hale (Elgin City)

09/01/24 - Callum Davidson (Queen's Park)

23/01/24 - Scott Brown (Ayr United)

 

*Note
Steven Naismith was appointed caretaker manager of Hearts on 9th April 2023. After a successfully spell he was given the job permanently on 7th June 2023. However, as he does not have a Pro Licence and Hearts qualified for Europe they were required to 'officially' name assistant Frankie McAvoy as manager on the same date. Naismith instead took on the title 'Technical Director'. Following Hearts elimination from European competition, Naismith was officially re-confirmed as Manager on 6th September 2023 with McAvoy reverting to assistant. As nobody surely seriously believes McAvoy was ever actually in charge, I've listed Naismith as continuous from 9th April and ignored McAvoy's official 3 month spell as manager.

If the technical most recent reappointment date of 6th September is instead used for Naismith then he drops four places further down the list, in between Brendan Rodgers and Nick Montgomery.

 

Updated for appointment of Scott Brown at Ayr United.

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Looking at the tables it's interesting to see that most of the bottom 2/3 clubs in each division have already changed managers this season, the notable exceptions being two of @Skyline Drifters Untouchables - Annan/Peter Murphy & Livingston/David Martindale.

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On 26/09/2023 at 10:30, Skyline Drifter said:

If it hasn't happened before it certainly will have been very close. Part of the reason this thread began was to track the ever shorter tenures of managers and those who bucked the trend.

I don't think it's any coincidence that the top five are working in fairly low expectation circumstances. Two of them garnered the majority of their service before they entered the SPFL and another two have effectively reached their own ceiling already. The other one, Annan, have virtually no record for sacking managers in the last 20 years and I imagine even relegation wouldn't see Peter Murphy lose his, especially as it appears they are at least competitive at a higher level. Campbell's done a tremendous job at Arbroath but he's too old to be recruited by a full time team at this stage and Petrie apparently doesn't want full time management due to his outside job. Campbell and Petrie are effectively already working at as high a level as they can realistically achieve.

Given Martindale effectively runs Livingston as a club and isn't really in the same boat as any other manager, you then need to go down to Malky McKay in 7th to find a full time manager who actually has to achieve things to avoid the sack, and he's reached 7th with just over 2 years in the job!

The nature of football will inevitably mean that other than those determined to remain part time, managers either fail to achieve and get binned by itchy trigger fingers within a couple of years, or do achieve and get head hunted by bigger clubs. As has been seen with the likes of Rogers, Gerrard and Postecoglou, even the OF can't hold a high achieving manager very long. There's always a bigger job across the Border somewhere.

 

9 hours ago, btb said:

Looking at the tables it's interesting to see that most of the bottom 2/3 clubs in each division have already changed managers this season, the notable exceptions being two of @Skyline Drifters Untouchables - Annan/Peter Murphy & Livingston/David Martindale.

I never said they were "untouchable" to be fair. I said they were working to different expectations as everyone else and two of them had reached their own glass ceiling. Martindale was bordering on untouchable I guess though not sure that's the case now with their ownership shenanigans. Going by his interview last week he's close to chucking it himself. Campbell's already been moved on since I posted that anyway.

Petrie's still working at the best he can realistically achieve though and I don't see Peter Murphy being under much imminent threat at Annan even if they go down (they'll at least make playoffs now).

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05/06/12 - Dougie Samuel (Spartans)

04/12/16 - Stewart Petrie (Montrose)

02/06/17 - Peter Murphy (Annan Athletic)

08/11/18 - Robbie Horn (Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic)

26/11/20 - David Martindale (Livingston) (Caretaker initially, officially confirmed 21/12/20)

29/05/21 - Stevie Farrell (Dumbarton)

20/12/21 - Darren Young (Stirling Albion)

21/12/21 - Dougie Imrie (Morton)

04/01/22 - Derek McInnes (Kilmarnock)

22/02/22 - Stephen Robinson (St Mirren)

04/05/22 - John McGlynn (Falkirk)

24/05/22 - Ian Murray (Raith Rovers)

24/05/22 - James McPake (Dunfermline Athletic)

26/05/22 - Rhys McCabe (Airdrieonians)

23/06/22 - John Rankin (Hamilton Academical) (caretaker initially, confirmed 28/06/22)

25/09/22 - Greig McDonald (East Fife) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 25/10/22)

10/11/22 - Ray McKinnon (Forfar Athletic)

03/01/23 - Gary Naysmith (Stenhousemuir)

05/01/23 - Paul Hartley (Cove Rangers)

08/01/23 - Marvin Bartley (Queen of the South)

11/02/23 - Stuart Kettlewell (Motherwell) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 22/02/23)

12/02/23 - Kris Doolan (Partick Thistle) (caretaker initially, confirmed 03/03/23)

01/03/23 - Jim Goodwin (Dundee United)

21/03/23 - Ryan Strachan & Jordon Brown (Peterhead) (Caretakers initially, confirmed 25/04/23)

*09/04/23 - Steven Naismith (Heart of Midlothian) - See note

17/04/23 - Scott Agnew (Stranraer)

07/05/23 - Michael Tidser (Kelty Hearts)

29/05/23 - Tony Docherty (Dundee)

19/06/23 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

11/09/23 - Nick Montgomery (Hibernian)

26/09/23 - Duncan Ferguson (Inverness Caledonian Thistle)

09/10/23 - Michael McIndoe (Edinburgh City)

15/10/23 - Philippe Clement (Rangers)

05/11/23 - Craig Levein (St Johnstone)

15/11/23 - Ian McCall (Clyde)

15/11/23 - Andy Graham (Alloa Athletic)

20/11/23 - Derek Adams (Ross County)

04/12/23 - Jim McIntyre (Arbroath)

05/12/23 - Allan Hale (Elgin City)

09/01/24 - Callum Davidson (Queen's Park)

23/01/24 - Scott Brown (Ayr United)

05/02/24 - Neil Warnock (Aberdeen)

*Note
Steven Naismith was appointed caretaker manager of Hearts on 9th April 2023. After a successfully spell he was given the job permanently on 7th June 2023. However, as he does not have a Pro Licence and Hearts qualified for Europe they were required to 'officially' name assistant Frankie McAvoy as manager on the same date. Naismith instead took on the title 'Technical Director'. Following Hearts elimination from European competition, Naismith was officially re-confirmed as Manager on 6th September 2023 with McAvoy reverting to assistant. As nobody surely seriously believes McAvoy was ever actually in charge, I've listed Naismith as continuous from 9th April and ignored McAvoy's official 3 month spell as manager.

If the technical most recent reappointment date of 6th September is instead used for Naismith then he drops four places further down the list, in between Brendan Rodgers and Nick Montgomery.

 

Updated for dismissal of Barry Robson after a year and two days in charge at Aberdeen. He was the SPFL's 21st longest serving manager with his year in charge

Updated again for appointment of Neil Warnock.

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05/06/12 - Dougie Samuel (Spartans)

04/12/16 - Stewart Petrie (Montrose)

02/06/17 - Peter Murphy (Annan Athletic)

08/11/18 - Robbie Horn (Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic)

26/11/20 - David Martindale (Livingston) (Caretaker initially, officially confirmed 21/12/20)

29/05/21 - Stevie Farrell (Dumbarton)

20/12/21 - Darren Young (Stirling Albion)

21/12/21 - Dougie Imrie (Morton)

04/01/22 - Derek McInnes (Kilmarnock)

22/02/22 - Stephen Robinson (St Mirren)

04/05/22 - John McGlynn (Falkirk)

24/05/22 - Ian Murray (Raith Rovers)

24/05/22 - James McPake (Dunfermline Athletic)

26/05/22 - Rhys McCabe (Airdrieonians)

23/06/22 - John Rankin (Hamilton Academical) (caretaker initially, confirmed 28/06/22)

10/11/22 - Ray McKinnon (Forfar Athletic)

03/01/23 - Gary Naysmith (Stenhousemuir)

05/01/23 - Paul Hartley (Cove Rangers)

08/01/23 - Marvin Bartley (Queen of the South)

11/02/23 - Stuart Kettlewell (Motherwell) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 22/02/23)

12/02/23 - Kris Doolan (Partick Thistle) (caretaker initially, confirmed 03/03/23)

01/03/23 - Jim Goodwin (Dundee United)

21/03/23 - Ryan Strachan & Jordon Brown (Peterhead) (Caretakers initially, confirmed 25/04/23)

*09/04/23 - Steven Naismith (Heart of Midlothian) - See note

17/04/23 - Scott Agnew (Stranraer)

07/05/23 - Michael Tidser (Kelty Hearts)

29/05/23 - Tony Docherty (Dundee)

19/06/23 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

11/09/23 - Nick Montgomery (Hibernian)

26/09/23 - Duncan Ferguson (Inverness Caledonian Thistle)

09/10/23 - Michael McIndoe (Edinburgh City)

15/10/23 - Philippe Clement (Rangers)

05/11/23 - Craig Levein (St Johnstone)

15/11/23 - Ian McCall (Clyde)

15/11/23 - Andy Graham (Alloa Athletic)

04/12/23 - Jim McIntyre (Arbroath)

05/12/23 - Allan Hale (Elgin City)

09/01/24 - Callum Davidson (Queen's Park)

23/01/24 - Scott Brown (Ayr United)

05/02/24 - Neil Warnock (Aberdeen)

06/02/24 - Dick Campbell (East Fife)

 

Vacant - Ross County - Derek Adams resigned 07/02/24

 

*Note
Steven Naismith was appointed caretaker manager of Hearts on 9th April 2023. After a successfully spell he was given the job permanently on 7th June 2023. However, as he does not have a Pro Licence and Hearts qualified for Europe they were required to 'officially' name assistant Frankie McAvoy as manager on the same date. Naismith instead took on the title 'Technical Director'. Following Hearts elimination from European competition, Naismith was officially re-confirmed as Manager on 6th September 2023 with McAvoy reverting to assistant. As nobody surely seriously believes McAvoy was ever actually in charge, I've listed Naismith as continuous from 9th April and ignored McAvoy's official 3 month spell as manager.

If the technical most recent reappointment date of 6th September is instead used for Naismith then he drops four places further down the list, in between Brendan Rodgers and Nick Montgomery.

 

Updated for appointment of Dick Campbell at East Fife.

Updated again for departure of Derek Adams from Ross County after just 12 games (just over 2 months). No word on a caretaker yet.

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  • 1 month later...

05/06/12 - Dougie Samuel (Spartans)

04/12/16 - Stewart Petrie (Montrose)

02/06/17 - Peter Murphy (Annan Athletic)

08/11/18 - Robbie Horn (Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic)

26/11/20 - David Martindale (Livingston) (Caretaker initially, officially confirmed 21/12/20)

29/05/21 - Stevie Farrell (Dumbarton)

20/12/21 - Darren Young (Stirling Albion)

21/12/21 - Dougie Imrie (Morton)

04/01/22 - Derek McInnes (Kilmarnock)

22/02/22 - Stephen Robinson (St Mirren)

04/05/22 - John McGlynn (Falkirk)

24/05/22 - Ian Murray (Raith Rovers)

24/05/22 - James McPake (Dunfermline Athletic)

26/05/22 - Rhys McCabe (Airdrieonians)

23/06/22 - John Rankin (Hamilton Academical) (caretaker initially, confirmed 28/06/22)

10/11/22 - Ray McKinnon (Forfar Athletic)

03/01/23 - Gary Naysmith (Stenhousemuir)

05/01/23 - Paul Hartley (Cove Rangers)

08/01/23 - Marvin Bartley (Queen of the South)

11/02/23 - Stuart Kettlewell (Motherwell) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 22/02/23)

12/02/23 - Kris Doolan (Partick Thistle) (caretaker initially, confirmed 03/03/23)

01/03/23 - Jim Goodwin (Dundee United)

21/03/23 - Ryan Strachan & Jordon Brown (Peterhead) (Caretakers initially, confirmed 25/04/23)

*09/04/23 - Steven Naismith (Heart of Midlothian) - See note

17/04/23 - Scott Agnew (Stranraer)

07/05/23 - Michael Tidser (Kelty Hearts)

29/05/23 - Tony Docherty (Dundee)

19/06/23 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

11/09/23 - Nick Montgomery (Hibernian)

26/09/23 - Duncan Ferguson (Inverness Caledonian Thistle)

09/10/23 - Michael McIndoe (Edinburgh City)

15/10/23 - Philippe Clement (Rangers)

05/11/23 - Craig Levein (St Johnstone)

15/11/23 - Ian McCall (Clyde)

15/11/23 - Andy Graham (Alloa Athletic)

04/12/23 - Jim McIntyre (Arbroath)

05/12/23 - Allan Hale (Elgin City)

09/01/24 - Callum Davidson (Queen's Park)

23/01/24 - Scott Brown (Ayr United)

06/02/24 - Dick Campbell (East Fife)

 

Vacant - Ross County - Derek Adams resigned 07/02/24, Don Cowie in Interim Charge

Vacant - Aberdeen - Neil Warnock departed mutual consent on 09/03/24. Peter Leven in Interim Charge

 

*Note
Steven Naismith was appointed caretaker manager of Hearts on 9th April 2023. After a successfully spell he was given the job permanently on 7th June 2023. However, as he does not have a Pro Licence and Hearts qualified for Europe they were required to 'officially' name assistant Frankie McAvoy as manager on the same date. Naismith instead took on the title 'Technical Director'. Following Hearts elimination from European competition, Naismith was officially re-confirmed as Manager on 6th September 2023 with McAvoy reverting to assistant. As nobody surely seriously believes McAvoy was ever actually in charge, I've listed Naismith as continuous from 9th April and ignored McAvoy's official 3 month spell as manager.

If the technical most recent reappointment date of 6th September is instead used for Naismith then he drops four places further down the list, in between Brendan Rodgers and Nick Montgomery.

 

Updated for developments at Ross County and Aberdeen who both currently have "Interim" appointments rather than "caretakers". Unclear if either will get right to the end of the season but seems clear neither expects to be the next permanent appointment so I've left the positions sitting "vacant" at the moment.

 

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On 30/01/2024 at 01:10, btb said:

Looking at the tables it's interesting to see that most of the bottom 2/3 clubs in each division have already changed managers this season, the notable exceptions being two of @Skyline Drifters Untouchables

I'd say the most notable exception right now is yet closer to home for Skyline Drifter.

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05/06/12 - Dougie Samuel (Spartans)

04/12/16 - Stewart Petrie (Montrose)

02/06/17 - Peter Murphy (Annan Athletic)

26/11/20 - David Martindale (Livingston) (Caretaker initially, officially confirmed 21/12/20)

29/05/21 - Stevie Farrell (Dumbarton)

20/12/21 - Darren Young (Stirling Albion)

21/12/21 - Dougie Imrie (Morton)

04/01/22 - Derek McInnes (Kilmarnock)

22/02/22 - Stephen Robinson (St Mirren)

04/05/22 - John McGlynn (Falkirk)

24/05/22 - Ian Murray (Raith Rovers)

24/05/22 - James McPake (Dunfermline Athletic)

26/05/22 - Rhys McCabe (Airdrieonians)

23/06/22 - John Rankin (Hamilton Academical) (caretaker initially, confirmed 28/06/22)

10/11/22 - Ray McKinnon (Forfar Athletic)

03/01/23 - Gary Naysmith (Stenhousemuir)

05/01/23 - Paul Hartley (Cove Rangers)

08/01/23 - Marvin Bartley (Queen of the South)

11/02/23 - Stuart Kettlewell (Motherwell) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 22/02/23)

12/02/23 - Kris Doolan (Partick Thistle) (caretaker initially, confirmed 03/03/23)

01/03/23 - Jim Goodwin (Dundee United)

21/03/23 - Ryan Strachan & Jordon Brown (Peterhead) (Caretakers initially, confirmed 25/04/23)

*09/04/23 - Steven Naismith (Heart of Midlothian) - See note

17/04/23 - Scott Agnew (Stranraer)

07/05/23 - Michael Tidser (Kelty Hearts)

29/05/23 - Tony Docherty (Dundee)

19/06/23 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

11/09/23 - Nick Montgomery (Hibernian)

26/09/23 - Duncan Ferguson (Inverness Caledonian Thistle)

09/10/23 - Michael McIndoe (Edinburgh City)

15/10/23 - Philippe Clement (Rangers)

05/11/23 - Craig Levein (St Johnstone)

15/11/23 - Ian McCall (Clyde)

15/11/23 - Andy Graham (Alloa Athletic)

04/12/23 - Jim McIntyre (Arbroath)

05/12/23 - Allan Hale (Elgin City)

09/01/24 - Callum Davidson (Queen's Park)

23/01/24 - Scott Brown (Ayr United)

06/02/24 - Dick Campbell (East Fife)

25/03/24 - Calum Elliott (Bonnyrigg Rose)

 

Vacant - Ross County - Derek Adams resigned 07/02/24, Don Cowie in Interim Charge

Vacant - Aberdeen - Neil Warnock departed mutual consent on 09/03/24. Peter Leven in Interim Charge

 

*Note
Steven Naismith was appointed caretaker manager of Hearts on 9th April 2023. After a successfully spell he was given the job permanently on 7th June 2023. However, as he does not have a Pro Licence and Hearts qualified for Europe they were required to 'officially' name assistant Frankie McAvoy as manager on the same date. Naismith instead took on the title 'Technical Director'. Following Hearts elimination from European competition, Naismith was officially re-confirmed as Manager on 6th September 2023 with McAvoy reverting to assistant. As nobody surely seriously believes McAvoy was ever actually in charge, I've listed Naismith as continuous from 9th April and ignored McAvoy's official 3 month spell as manager.

If the technical most recent reappointment date of 6th September is instead used for Naismith then he drops four places further down the list, in between Brendan Rodgers and Nick Montgomery.

 

Updated for appointment of Calum Elliott at Bonnyrigg.

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Aberdeen again making life awkward (they did this when Craig Brown retired) by announcing today the future appointment, on a day not exactly specified, of Jimmy Thelin as their manager. It's been left as the vague "this summer" and "from June". Until Aberdeen confirm anything different I'll assume this means 1st June.

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05/06/12 - Dougie Samuel (Spartans)

04/12/16 - Stewart Petrie (Montrose)

02/06/17 - Peter Murphy (Annan Athletic)

26/11/20 - David Martindale (Livingston) (Caretaker initially, officially confirmed 21/12/20)

29/05/21 - Stevie Farrell (Dumbarton)

20/12/21 - Darren Young (Stirling Albion)

21/12/21 - Dougie Imrie (Morton)

04/01/22 - Derek McInnes (Kilmarnock)

22/02/22 - Stephen Robinson (St Mirren)

04/05/22 - John McGlynn (Falkirk)

24/05/22 - Ian Murray (Raith Rovers)

24/05/22 - James McPake (Dunfermline Athletic)

26/05/22 - Rhys McCabe (Airdrieonians)

23/06/22 - John Rankin (Hamilton Academical) (caretaker initially, confirmed 28/06/22)

10/11/22 - Ray McKinnon (Forfar Athletic)

03/01/23 - Gary Naysmith (Stenhousemuir)

05/01/23 - Paul Hartley (Cove Rangers)

08/01/23 - Marvin Bartley (Queen of the South)

11/02/23 - Stuart Kettlewell (Motherwell) (Caretaker initially, confirmed 22/02/23)

12/02/23 - Kris Doolan (Partick Thistle) (caretaker initially, confirmed 03/03/23)

01/03/23 - Jim Goodwin (Dundee United)

21/03/23 - Ryan Strachan & Jordon Brown (Peterhead) (Caretakers initially, confirmed 25/04/23)

*09/04/23 - Steven Naismith (Heart of Midlothian) - See note

17/04/23 - Scott Agnew (Stranraer)

07/05/23 - Michael Tidser (Kelty Hearts)

29/05/23 - Tony Docherty (Dundee)

19/06/23 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

11/09/23 - Nick Montgomery (Hibernian)

26/09/23 - Duncan Ferguson (Inverness Caledonian Thistle)

09/10/23 - Michael McIndoe (Edinburgh City)

15/10/23 - Philippe Clement (Rangers)

05/11/23 - Craig Levein (St Johnstone)

15/11/23 - Ian McCall (Clyde)

15/11/23 - Andy Graham (Alloa Athletic)

04/12/23 - Jim McIntyre (Arbroath)

05/12/23 - Allan Hale (Elgin City)

09/01/24 - Callum Davidson (Queen's Park)

23/01/24 - Scott Brown (Ayr United)

06/02/24 - Dick Campbell (East Fife)

25/03/24 - Calum Elliott (Bonnyrigg Rose)

01/06/24 - Jimmy Thelin (Aberdeen) * Future appointment announced 16/04/24. Peter Leven remains in charge until then

 

Vacant - Ross County - Derek Adams resigned 07/02/24, Don Cowie in Interim Charge

 

*Note
Steven Naismith was appointed caretaker manager of Hearts on 9th April 2023. After a successfully spell he was given the job permanently on 7th June 2023. However, as he does not have a Pro Licence and Hearts qualified for Europe they were required to 'officially' name assistant Frankie McAvoy as manager on the same date. Naismith instead took on the title 'Technical Director'. Following Hearts elimination from European competition, Naismith was officially re-confirmed as Manager on 6th September 2023 with McAvoy reverting to assistant. As nobody surely seriously believes McAvoy was ever actually in charge, I've listed Naismith as continuous from 9th April and ignored McAvoy's official 3 month spell as manager.

If the technical most recent reappointment date of 6th September is instead used for Naismith then he drops four places further down the list, in between Brendan Rodgers and Nick Montgomery.

 

Updated for future appointment of Thelin at Aberdeen. I've put him on the full list on a future date (by no means certain to be the correct date). If a different date becomes clear nearer the time will amend. In the meantime, if other clubs change managers between now and then they'll go in to the list ahead of him. He's not managing them yet, announced or not.

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