football maniac Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr X said: What would be in the slightest bit exciting about signing Dylan Mackin?? We've signed four players already - three in areas every fan identified as being weak last season, including one who was arguably the best in the division - plus a proven winger in Stirling. Do you know how many Championship teams have signed more than four players so far? One. There are five teams that havent even signed that many. I never said he would be an exciting signing, more he was the kind of guy I expected us to try and sign. The exciting signings would be more along the lines of Loy et al but the reality is we will probably be lumbered with someone pish like Lawrie Shankland. Such is the way. Stirling is proven to an extent and played well against us but we should be cautious of the fact he was by all accounts crap at Dumbarton for the first half of the year and has had a pretty journeyman like career at 27 so as far as I'm concerned he has it all to prove. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel wickson Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, football maniac said: Every day a player I'm expecting us to be after is being snapped up by another club. Dylan Mackin being the latest. We really need a striker. Lyle last season picked up niggles every week which this season may eventually catch up with him. Even rumours he is thinking of retiring although not sure if true. Dykes not sure he is good enough tbh So the question is who remains out there? Andy Ryan would be terrific but I think there may be a compensation issue if he has been offered a deal by Airdrie. Rory Loy and Brian Graham are outside bets if we are looking for quality rather than quantity. We may sacrifice having more squad members if we can entice players of this ilk to the club. The one I heard is Eamann Brophy though and he would fit the bill. Maybe Dylan Bikey? We need a winger and Connolly been targeted although again wages an issue potentially. I also feel we need a cm especially one who can score as none we have now are capable of anything over 1 a season. Joe Thomson would be perfect. If we could get Gunning in at cb we suddenly would have a much stronger look about us. I feel the 3 remaining signings must be of good quality and a step up from what we have had before. I feel at times Naisy looks for versatility over ability so hopefully we can get 3 specialist for their positions. Fordyce and Rooney hardly set the pulses racing but if we could get 3 of these players the optimism would suddenly swing into fever pitch. Martin has been our 1 signing everyone agrees is quality. Careful now... 2 hours ago, NM_1919 said: The signing of defenders rarely set hearts pulsing, unless your signing someone of significant quality, don't think many have ever got over excited about a defender signing for us. The players you have mentioned id probably take them all. The one thing Naysmith mentioned was that he's wanting a younger squad as he thinks they'll be hungrier for success, he's wanting to play games with a high tempo, they emphasised last night the creativeness of dan and Andrew Stirling so the long ball thing might be out the window. I'd certainly like to see an experienced man in defence brought in, but doesn't seem a lot available, think gunning we have next to no chance tbh. I doubt the midfielder will be a centre mid, probably another winger number 10 type where Aiden Connolly would definitely fit the bill, Sam Stanton maybe another. Upfront I really have no clue now, really crying out for someone with a good bit of pace along with a goal threat Andy Ryan I doubt with the need of a transfer fee, brophy I've never seen play to my knowledge but obviously a decent record for 20s. Joe Thomson was mentioned a couple of times, obvious the manager is a big fan, but he said centre midfield wasn't one of his major priorities. But if the chance arose he'd basically be chalking on the board room door to try make it happen if his budget is all used, which you'd hope they'd do for a player of that quality and with Tappings injury record. I was worrying about the lack of progress in transfer market but after listening to Naysmith last night, I'm confident he knows what he wants and needs for the team. What would that be, a pentagram, "Kilroy Was Here" or... ? You might have seen Brophy at Palmerston on 7 November 2015 when we played you and lost 1-0. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM_1919 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 What would that be, a pentagram, "Kilroy Was Here" or... ? You might have seen Brophy at Palmerston on 7 November 2015 when we played you and lost 1-0. Chapping, predictive on phone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, football maniac said: I never said he would be an exciting signing, more he was the kind of guy I expected us to try and sign. The exciting signings would be more along the lines of Loy et al but the reality is we will probably be lumbered with someone pish like Lawrie Shankland. Such is the way. Stirling is proven to an extent and played well against us but we should be cautious of the fact he was by all accounts crap at Dumbarton for the first half of the year and has had a pretty journeyman like career at 27 so as far as I'm concerned he has it all to prove. Whats the difference between signing Shankland or Mackin, or McManus or some of the other players other sides have picked up? Out of the 30 players listed in the Summer transfer thread I think I would take 7, at most, and 2 or 3 of them I wouldnt be that bothered about. If Naysmith improves the squad then it really doesnt matter when players sign. If he doesnt then he'll be open to criticism for it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football maniac Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mr X said: Whats the difference between signing Shankland or Mackin, or McManus or some of the other players other sides have picked up? Out of the 30 players listed in the Summer transfer thread I think I would take 7, at most, and 2 or 3 of them I wouldnt be that bothered about. If Naysmith improves the squad then it really doesnt matter when players sign. If he doesnt then he'll be open to criticism for it I suppose you could say I am optimistic we are running out of mr obvious targets that we usually go for which might mean we might actually manage to obtain someone of note. Shankland is the last of that danger list really without a club. I agree, would far rather wait and secure a Graham or Loy than pounce early and get a Stewart or a McManus. Who knows he might have contacts at Everton he could use to bring in a loanee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, football maniac said: I suppose you could say I am optimistic we are running out of mr obvious targets that we usually go for which might mean we might actually manage to obtain someone of note. Shankland is the last of that danger list really without a club. I agree, would far rather wait and secure a Graham or Loy than pounce early and get a Stewart or a McManus. Who knows he might have contacts at Everton he could use to bring in a loanee. He was asked about that last night but he said because the English clubs start pre-season later its harder to get someone in until later on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumfries Boy(new acc) Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, Mr X said: He was asked about that last night but he said because the English clubs start pre-season later its harder to get someone in until later on Can anyone round up what he said? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Just a suggestion, but is there no intention from the club to make use of facebook live or periscope for these types of events? It's entirely impractical for me to attend anything like it, but I would definitely sit and watch it if it was broadcast. It would also give those not there the chance to submit questions as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I can understand Naysmith wanting to sideline - not even - Robinson but if he knew he was going to do that would it not have made more sense to keep Atkinson as back-up. A 'keeper who has some experience at this level rather than a youngster who hasn't ? * Another baffling decision by Naysmith was to bin Aiden Smith who has already been 'blooded' at this level and proved his worth by scoring against Rangers - twice ! Defenders hate pace and he is electric and would have given us something completely different up front especially in the latter stages of games when defences are tiring. I would rate him ahead of both Dykes and Murray. ** * For Atkinson to have stayed around as No. 2 for so long you have to imagine he was on a decent wage. By having a youngster on the bench it frees up valuable wages. How often does a 'keeper get injured/suspended? Rarely. If Martin did sustain a serious injury then surely we could use an emergency loan/joker (whatever they're called). If it happens mid game then I'm sure the youngster could handle it. It's probably a shrewd move by Naysmith tbh. ** I wouldn't have minded Smith staying but two goals against The Rangers doesn't really "prove his worth" in my books. The fact he spent games on the bench at Annan kind of speaks volumes. He had electric pace but excluding that what else did he bring to the table? I think Murray has shown more positives. I'm a lot happier we kept Murray ahead of Smith tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QoS_1919 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I like Aidan. He chases after the ball all game and doesn't give the opposite team a second on the ball. I think we've missed that and if we were to sign a striker then that's the sort of players i'd want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I like Aidan. He chases after the ball all game and doesn't give the opposite team a second on the ball. I think we've missed that and if we were to sign a striker then that's the sort of players i'd want. He doesn't do that though. Unless the ball is in his vicinity he doesn't look interested. I base this on viewing him regularly for the 20's and his appearances for the first team. He's a poor man's Stewart Kean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmy_cammy Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 It seems the way to our supporters hearts is to not play very often for us. There is a reason that Aidan Smith and Connor Murray have seen limited playing time, yet they have been built up to legendary status among some. Then you have Lyndon Dykes who has played far more, and contributed far more to the first team who is roundly criticised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 9 hours ago, die hard doonhamer said: Just a suggestion, but is there no intention from the club to make use of facebook live or periscope for these types of events? It's entirely impractical for me to attend anything like it, but I would definitely sit and watch it if it was broadcast. It would also give those not there the chance to submit questions as well. Short answer, no. Anyone can submit questions or things to be added to the agenda and the minutes are posted on the website, so its still possible to input to the meeting without attending, although I accept thats far from ideal. Its definitely something to think about, although the manager wont be attending every meeting so there will be less to watch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QoS_1919 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 9 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: He doesn't do that though. Unless the ball is in his vicinity he doesn't look interested. I base this on viewing him regularly for the 20's and his appearances for the first team. He's a poor man's Stewart Kean. Fair enough, you've seen him alot more than me and he maybe didn't do that as consistently as I thought. Anyway, I'd still like the sort of striker who does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nithsdale Wanderer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 9 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: Unless the ball is in his vicinity he doesn't look interested. You could say the same about Dobbie and the majority of strikers out there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 You could say the same about Dobbie and the majority of strikers out there. The difference being Dobbie is capable of doing nothing for 80 minutes but will pop up with a goal or two given a couple of half chances. Smith's finishing is nowhere near that quality so having a striker that doesn't compensate his lack of workrate with goals is a pretty worthless striker IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nithsdale Wanderer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I wasn't comparing the two - which is a ridiculous thing to do - merely commenting that most strikers are capable of doing that. It's quite a contradiction, too, to compare Smith to Kean. Kean wasn't a finisher but he certainly could never be accused of lacking in effort which seems what you are levelling at both he and Smith. My opinions are based on what I recall but we all see things differently. Smith came on against Rangers - home Feb Miller freak goal game - and was an absolute livewire who unsettled their defenders big-time and won numerous free kicks in the last 15 mins and we were unlucky not todraw level because of. He has, of course, come on and scored against Rangers on 2 other occasions. I guess his goals/mins ratio would stand up favourably with Dykes' who has had much more game time - a more like for like comparison as back-up strikers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: The difference being Dobbie is capable of doing nothing for 80 minutes but will pop up with a goal or two given a couple of half chances. Smith's finishing is nowhere near that quality so having a striker that doesn't compensate his lack of workrate with goals is a pretty worthless striker IMO. Smith might have improved in his time at Annan. You are basing your assessment of him on evidence from at least a year ago. Different kind of situation, but Dobbie improved in his time at Dumbarton. I'm fairly sure St.Johnstone got rid of him due to his goalscoring not compensating for his lack of workrate at that time. And Smith is younger than Dobbie was then. The only fans who are really properly able to asses Smith at the moment are Annan supporters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I like Aidan, I'm slightly disappointed he was released because I think he could have done a job for us next season, but he wasn't going to start regularly with Dobbie & Lyle in the squad and was probably also behind Dykes. He's been around the squad for about 4 years now despite his young years and it's probably better for him that he go out and play regularly for Annan than hang about our 20's / bench again. There is every likelihood he didn't want to stay with us to sit on the fringes again when he had the opportunity to move on and play regularly again anyway. There's absolutely no doubt though that all his highlight reel stuff at first team level came in 2 or 3 games against Rangers for whatever reason, none of which he started. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeplechat Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Wonder if Naysmith will play Dykes as a striker this season or out wide like Skelton did at the start of last . Personally speaking think his finishing is terrible and there needs to be a major improvement in his all round game or he'll be heading back to the Gold Coast with his surfboard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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