The Queen of the South thread

[palmy_cammy]

I would love to see Lyle reach number 2 on that list before the end of his career.  I think he's got it in him.

[weeredbook]

Naysmith brings in trialist Nobby Clark to play alongside Dobbie in a new look back 7 .Trialist Eddie Izzard is injured in the warm up which is taken by Team Sky's technical director.
Robinson is booked for time wasting in the 3rd minute as he blasts the ball in to the Portland Road End .We are shooting the other way .Late sub Calvin Harris is fouled just outside the centre circle and Dobbs cracks the free kick off the wall and furore follows,as the ref awards a goal and tv evidence shows the ball has crossed the 6 yard line.
In the real world 0-2 ( 2 bunders) .

[kirkyblue2]

3 minutes ago, weeredbook said:

Naysmith brings in trialist Nobby Clark to play alongside Dobbie in a new look back 7 .Trialist Eddie Izzard is injured in the warm up which is taken by Team Sky's technical director.
Robinson is booked for time wasting in the 3rd minute as he blasts the ball in to the Portland Road End .We are shooting the other way .Late sub Calvin Harris is fouled just outside the centre circle and Dobbs cracks the free kick off the wall and furore follows,as the ref awards a goal and tv evidence shows the ball has crossed the 6 yard line.
In the real world 0-2 ( 2 bunders) .

What are you sniffing?

[Skyline Drifter]

5 hours ago, TeeMan said:

I'd be interested to see the list with breakdown by spell and number of games if that isn't too much trouble. 

1 - Jim Patterson, 251 goals in 462 appearances, 1949 - 1963
2 - Bobby Black, 120 goals in 346 appearances, 1952 - 1961
3 - Andy Thomson, 114 goal in 196 starts (35 sub) appearances, 1989 - 1994 & 2006 - 2007
4 - Derek Lyle, 108 goals in 253 starts (75 sub) appearancs, 2002 - 2004, 2004 - 2006 & 2012 - Current
5 - Jocky Dempster, 98 goals in 342 starts (13 sub) appearances, 1970 - 1979
6 - Tommy Bryce, 95 goals in 283 starts (14 sub) appearances, 1985 - 1987, 1994 - 1998 & 1999
7 - Stevie Mallan, 94 goals in 233 starts (32 sub) appearances, 1993 - 2000
8 - Tommy McCall, 93 goals in 264 appearances, 1925 - 1934
9 - Ian Reid, 89 goals in 192 starts (5 sub) appearances, 1973 - 1978
10 - Jimmy Robertson, 89 goals in 378 starts (22 sub) appearances, 1979 - 1987 & 1989 - 1993
11 - Jackie Oakes, 81 goals in 457 appearances, 1936 - 1947 & 1951 - 1960
12 - Iain McChesney, 79 goals in 587 starts (28 sub) appearances, 1961 - 1982
13 - Rowan Alexander, 78 goals in 165 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1978 - 1983 & 1995 - 1998
14 - Stephen Dobbie, 75 goals in 123 starts (17 sub) appearances, 2007 - 2009, 2016 - Current
15 - Billy Houliston, 74 goals in 155 apearances, 1945 - 1952
16 - Jackie Law, 71 goals in 226 appearances, 1936 - 1948
17 - John O'Neill, 70 goals in 143 starts (52 sub) appearances, 2001 - 2003 & 2005 - 2008
18 - Lex Law, 68 goals in 316 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1964 - 1975
19 - Jimmy Rutherford, 66 goals in 65 appearances, 1930 - 1934
20 - Willie Dougan, 65 goals in 88 appearances, 1922 - 1925

Points of note:

Dobbie has made fewer appearances than everyone else on the list except Rutherford and Dougan who played in the early 20s and 30's. He's averaging better than a goal every 2 appearances. Only Jim Patterson, as well as Rutherford and Dougan can claim that, though to be fair Andy Thomson, Ian Reid, Billy Houliston and Rowan Alexander aren't far off it.

McChesney's 12th position is pretty remarkable considering he was never a striker and usually a defensive player. It's testimony to a 20 year career though. Others such as Tommy McCall, Bobby Black and Jimmy Robertson were wingers rather than strikers so their totals are also pretty impressive. John O'Neill played the occasional game as a forward in his second spell but by and large he was a midfielder. He has 27 penalty kicks in his total though. Likewise Tommy Bryce was a forward in his first spell with us but a midfielder by the time of the other two.

Dobbie was the designated penalty taker for a period in his first spell but doesn't have many spot kicks in his total. Lyle has been designated penalty taker for the last three years when on the pitch (since McGuffie left) so he has a few penalties in his total too.

Jackie Oakes and Jackie Law would probably be much higher if World War 2 hadn't robbed them of six years (of course had they been playing regularly in that spell they may have moved on). Fair chance one of them might even have gotten as high as No 2.

 

Edited March 28, 2017 by Skyline Drifter

[Skyline Drifter]

7 hours ago, Stellaboz said:

No Reilly on that list?

Also for what it's worth:

Nicky Clark, 42 goals in 69 starts (13 sub) appearances, 2011 - 2013
Gavin Reilly, 45 goals in 83 starts (60 sub) appearances, 2010 - 2015

[palmy_cammy]

4 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Also for what it's worth:

Nicky Clark, 42 goals in 69 starts (13 sub) appearances, 2011 - 2013
Gavin Reilly, 45 goals in 83 starts (60 sub) appearances, 2010 - 2015

Also worth noting that the bulk of Reilly's goals came in this division whereas Clark scored his against part-time jobbers in the seaside league.

[Stellaboz]

Goals are goals.

[Skyline Drifter]

10 minutes ago, palmy_cammy said:

Also worth noting that the bulk of Reilly's goals came in this division whereas Clark scored his against part-time jobbers in the seaside league.

Reilly played in that league too and Clark scored cup goals against Rangers, Hibs, Kilmarnock, Morton & Partick Thistle in that period. Clark played about 20 odd of his appearances as a midfielder. They both have decent goal records with us. I have no idea why so many Queens fans are desperate to pretend Nicky Clark isnt a quality striker. He was outstanding when converted to a striker regardless of what level he was playing at.

Edited March 28, 2017 by Skyline Drifter

[Swarley]

Where is Charlie these days?

[Monkey Tennis]

28 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Also for what it's worth:

Nicky Clark, 42 goals in 69 starts (13 sub) appearances, 2011 - 2013
Gavin Reilly, 45 goals in 83 starts (60 sub) appearances, 2010 - 2015

Does that mean Clark only scored once for us before that 2012-13 season, or am I missing something?

I know he wasn't prolific before and spent lots of time in the midfield of a failing side, but I'd have thought he'd scored more than that.

[Monkey Tennis]

57 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

1 - Jim Patterson, 251 goals in 462 appearances, 1949 - 1963
2 - Bobby Black, 120 goals in 346 appearances, 1952 - 1961
3 - Andy Thomson, 114 goal in 196 starts (35 sub) appearances, 1989 - 1994 & 2006 - 2007
4 - Derek Lyle, 108 goals in 253 starts (75 sub) appearancs, 2002 - 2004, 2004 - 2006 & 2012 - Current
5 - Jocky Dempster, 98 goals in 342 starts (13 sub) appearances, 1970 - 1979
6 - Tommy Bryce, 95 goals in 283 starts (14 sub) appearances, 1985 - 1987, 1994 - 1998 & 1999
7 - Stevie Mallan, 94 goals in 233 starts (32 sub) appearances, 1993 - 2000
8 - Tommy McCall, 93 goals in 264 appearances, 1925 - 1934
9 - Ian Reid, 89 goals in 192 starts (5 sub) appearances, 1973 - 1978
10 - Jimmy Robertson, 89 goals in 378 starts (22 sub) appearances, 1979 - 1987 & 1989 - 1993
11 - Jackie Oakes, 81 goals in 457 appearances, 1936 - 1947 & 1951 - 1960
12 - Iain McChesney, 79 goals in 587 starts (28 sub) appearances, 1961 - 1982
13 - Rowan Alexander, 78 goals in 165 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1978 - 1983 & 1995 - 1998
14 - Stephen Dobbie, 75 goals in 123 starts (17 sub) appearances, 2007 - 2009, 2016 - Current
15 - Billy Houliston, 74 goals in 155 apearances, 1945 - 1952
16 - Jackie Law, 71 goals in 226 appearances, 1936 - 1948
17 - John O'Neill, 70 goals in 143 starts (52 sub) appearances, 2001 - 2003 & 2005 - 2008
18 - Lex Law, 68 goals in 316 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1964 - 1975
19 - Jimmy Rutherford, 66 goals in 65 appearances, 1930 - 1934
20 - Willie Dougan, 65 goals in 88 appearances, 1922 - 1925

Points of note:

Dobbie has made fewer appearances than everyone else on the list except Rutherford and Dougan who played in the early 20s and 30's. He's averaging better than a goal every 2 appearances. Only Jim Patterson, as well as Rutherford and Dougan can claim that, though to be fair Andy Thomson, Ian Reid, Billy Houliston and Rowan Alexander aren't far off it.

McChesney's 12th position is pretty remarkable considering he was never a striker and usually a defensive player. It's testimony to a 20 year career though. Others such as Tommy McCall, Bobby Black and Jimmy Robertson were wingers rather than strikers so their totals are also pretty impressive. John O'Neill played the occasional game as a forward in his second spell but by and large he was a midfielder. He has 27 penalty kicks in his total though. Likewise Tommy Bryce was a forward in his first spell with us but a midfielder by the time of the other two.

Dobbie was the designated penalty taker for a period in his first spell but doesn't have many spot kicks in his total. Lyle has been designated penalty taker for the last three years when on the pitch (since McGuffie left) so he has a few penalties in his total too.

Jackie Oakes and Jackie Law would probably be much higher if World War 2 hadn't robbed them of six years (of course had they been playing regularly in that spell they may have moved on). Fair chance one of them might even have gotten as high as No 2.

 

Am I right in saying there's a good few penalties in McChesney's total too?

Still remarkable that he's up there, mind.

[Skyline Drifter]

1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Does that mean Clark only scored once for us before that 2012-13 season, or am I missing something?

I know he wasn't prolific before and spent lots of time in the midfield of a failing side, but I'd have thought he'd scored more than that.

Nope, he scored once. In a cup match against Forfar I think from memory. 

[Skyline Drifter]

Just now, Monkey Tennis said:

Am I right in saying there's a good few penalties in McChesney's total too?

Still remarkable that he's up there, mind.

Probably. He is pretty much before my time so not sure. Only picking up other people's stats on him. Working my way through researching club history slowly but have only reached 1945.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Nope, he scored once. In a cup match against Forfar I think from memory. 

I do remember thinking he was lucky to survive the clear out that followed relegation.

Good thing that he did though.

[Skyline Drifter]

12 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I do remember thinking he was lucky to survive the clear out that followed relegation.

Good thing that he did though.

Agree. I was reasonably surprised Allan was so keen to get Nicky signed up when he took over but to be fair he saw something the rest of us hadnt and changed his position immediately. It was an inspirational change though.

[Distant Doonhamer]

22 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Am I right in saying there's a good few penalties in McChesney's total too?

Still remarkable that he's up there, mind.

 

20 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Probably. He is pretty much before my time so not sure. Only picking up other people's stats on him. Working my way through researching club history slowly but have only reached 1945.

Ches certainly took pens at various points over his career. He did play a few games up front but generally only as an emergency. Played many games in midfield and ended his career as a full back so as SD says his goals total is impressive. Great servant to the club.

[sneeuq]

1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said:

1 - Jim Patterson, 251 goals in 462 appearances, 1949 - 1963
2 - Bobby Black, 120 goals in 346 appearances, 1952 - 1961
3 - Andy Thomson, 114 goal in 196 starts (35 sub) appearances, 1989 - 1994 & 2006 - 2007
4 - Derek Lyle, 108 goals in 253 starts (75 sub) appearancs, 2002 - 2004, 2004 - 2006 & 2012 - Current
5 - Jocky Dempster, 98 goals in 342 starts (13 sub) appearances, 1970 - 1979
6 - Tommy Bryce, 95 goals in 283 starts (14 sub) appearances, 1985 - 1987, 1994 - 1998 & 1999
7 - Stevie Mallan, 94 goals in 233 starts (32 sub) appearances, 1993 - 2000
8 - Tommy McCall, 93 goals in 264 appearances, 1925 - 1934
9 - Ian Reid, 89 goals in 192 starts (5 sub) appearances, 1973 - 1978
10 - Jimmy Robertson, 89 goals in 378 starts (22 sub) appearances, 1979 - 1987 & 1989 - 1993
11 - Jackie Oakes, 81 goals in 457 appearances, 1936 - 1947 & 1951 - 1960
12 - Iain McChesney, 79 goals in 587 starts (28 sub) appearances, 1961 - 1982
13 - Rowan Alexander, 78 goals in 165 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1978 - 1983 & 1995 - 1998
14 - Stephen Dobbie, 75 goals in 123 starts (17 sub) appearances, 2007 - 2009, 2016 - Current
15 - Billy Houliston, 74 goals in 155 apearances, 1945 - 1952
16 - Jackie Law, 71 goals in 226 appearances, 1936 - 1948
17 - John O'Neill, 70 goals in 143 starts (52 sub) appearances, 2001 - 2003 & 2005 - 2008
18 - Lex Law, 68 goals in 316 starts (18 sub) appearances, 1964 - 1975
19 - Jimmy Rutherford, 66 goals in 65 appearances, 1930 - 1934
20 - Willie Dougan, 65 goals in 88 appearances, 1922 - 1925

Points of note:

Dobbie has made fewer appearances than everyone else on the list except Rutherford and Dougan who played in the early 20s and 30's. He's averaging better than a goal every 2 appearances. Only Jim Patterson, as well as Rutherford and Dougan can claim that, though to be fair Andy Thomson, Ian Reid, Billy Houliston and Rowan Alexander aren't far off it.

McChesney's 12th position is pretty remarkable considering he was never a striker and usually a defensive player. It's testimony to a 20 year career though. Others such as Tommy McCall, Bobby Black and Jimmy Robertson were wingers rather than strikers so their totals are also pretty impressive. John O'Neill played the occasional game as a forward in his second spell but by and large he was a midfielder. He has 27 penalty kicks in his total though. Likewise Tommy Bryce was a forward in his first spell with us but a midfielder by the time of the other two.

Dobbie was the designated penalty taker for a period in his first spell but doesn't have many spot kicks in his total. Lyle has been designated penalty taker for the last three years when on the pitch (since McGuffie left) so he has a few penalties in his total too.

Jackie Oakes and Jackie Law would probably be much higher if World War 2 hadn't robbed them of six years (of course had they been playing regularly in that spell they may have moved on). Fair chance one of them might even have gotten as high as No 2.

 

Would be good to get goals per minute as a better comparator?

[Distant Doonhamer]

14 minutes ago, sneeuq said:

Would be good to get goals per minute as a better comparator?

Ooft. Not asking much really 

[Skyline Drifter]

17 minutes ago, sneeuq said:

Would be good to get goals per minute as a better comparator?

Go forth and multiply!

[TeeMan]

11 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Go forth and multiply!

 

Cheers for that SD

+1 for goals per 90 (and goals/matches/minutes per spell) when you've got any spare time. 

Edited March 28, 2017 by TeeMan