Reggie Perrin Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said: Were you talking to BPM ? I have known the Oracle that is BPM for many years but there is more than one source of "insider information" out there! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Funny how this was all body swerved at the recent AGM. You cant tell me that this decision has only been made since then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstand_bairn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Anyone else getting a bad feeling about the things overall just now? On the face of it the decision is the right one but, are we really saying that the money it costs contributed are going straight into the first team squad? We are saying the club is running at a loss so to me it sounds like we are merely plugging a gap. As for the handling then they have failed spectacularly in every department of it. Going to the press before briefing players/coaches is ridiculous. Gordon Waddell was merely doing his job, something the source of the story wasn't doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Back Post Misses said: Clearly changes were required and overall I have much more beef with how this has been communicated than the business decision. I just don’t think it is right to have the press tell people. At least have the good grace to inform staff, parents and kids first. I totally agree with you on the press bit. In theory I agree with you on the staff / parents / kids bit, though I'm not sure how practical it would be. Within seconds of giving out the news someone would put the story on social media and then the club would be getting slaughtered for not making any official comment. The two things would need to be done simultaneously. I believe that the BOD of FVFA were told in advance of the story coming out, which would almost have to be the case as there will be things like notice periods and termination clauses in any contract. I don't know how much advance notice they got and I have no idea why nobody appears to have prewarned the staff. The fact that some of those staff later posted their frustrations on a Falkirk fans forum demonstrates how badly awry the communications were. Not a good day for the club, the Academy or the people who've invested so much of their time and energies into making the whole thing work. I just hope the gamble pays off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny van Axeldongen Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Administration beckons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Bairn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 There won’t be any more investment in the first team when you are currently running at a huge loss even taking out the Academy Aye there will be. I have proof unlike yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Bofabairn said: Yer hole - nae players for certain positions and six or seven for others. We cut our cloth slightly to previous season but just cause like many you dont feel that players are up to playing in the position placed, doesnt mean we dont have a player for the postion, the buck falls with the manager in that retrospect 2017/18 Mitchell, Thomson Kidd, Muirhead McGhee, Grant, Watson, Gasporotto , Balatoni, Muirhead Gallacher, McGhee Craigen, Hippolyte, Harris Kerr, Taiwo,Craigen, Sibbald, McKee Craigen, Hippolyte, Sibbald, Harris Loy, Austin, Miller, O'Hara 2016/17 Rogers Mehmet, Thomson Kidd, Muirhead McCracken, Grant, Watson, Gasporotto, Muirhead Leahy, Gallacher Craigen, Hippolyte, Aird Kerr, Taiwo, Rankin,Craigen, Sibbald, McKee Craigen, Hippolyte, Sibbald Baird, Austin, Miller, McHugh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Fyvie Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Administration beckons. Such a shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Fitzgerald Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Initially I thought the decision to scrap the Youth Development system was a huge mistake and then after some consideration began to see the merits on focusing solely on the first team with the aim of getting us out of this holding pen league of failing / badly run clubs at the earliest opportunity. However I had a lengthy conversation yesterday with someone with credible contacts within the club and the information given did not make for happy listening. The contribution to FVA (not the development team) is £120K, I had thought it would have been significantly higher tbh, this figure could be reduced to £60K if the academy relocated to The Falkirk Stadium from Stirling. In the overall scheme of things an annual cost of £60K to continue the Academy which by all reports have some extremely promising players coming through at the U 15 and just below age groups would be a sensible use of a modest amount of the club's money, the alternative which is to lose these talented youngsters who would be pushing for first team involvement within a very few years to our competitors is short term thinking of the worst kind. Another factor is the loss of the hard won credibility the club has in the youth development area should we withdraw form FVA, it would be a very long and difficult process to restart an Academy from scratch in some hypothetical future where we are an established top tier team. The U20 development team is poor and has been for a couple of seasons mainly due to the restructuring when our own system was merged with the mighty resources of the Shire and Stenhousemuir in FVA, if savings have to be made this would be the place to do it. The communication from the club as per usual was pathetic incompetence, if you tell a journalist what you are planning to do (it was not a leak) don't be surprised when the guy does what he is paid for and writes a story! The upside to all of this is the stated intention of putting in place a proper scouting network which, if done properly, would be a valuable resource that frankly we should already have in place. There were some other incidents relating to our BOD and MSG that I won't detail here but made for rather depressing listening, we really are not in a happy place just now. Next year will be the 50th anniversary of my first trip to Brockville and this is genuinely as bad a time as I can remember, still it can only get better... How do you even know this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Because he spoke to someone with credible contacts. It's right there. In the post. That you quoted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Lecturer Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Grant228 said: Because he spoke to someone with credible contacts. It's right there. In the post. That you quoted. To be fair to you, that's him telt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Johnny van Axeldongen said: Administration beckons. Hopefully not. Club seems to have taken extreme but necessary steps to avoid this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Tumilty loan deal extended until 19th of January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 The Academy was fine when we could afford it but a combination of this Project Brave shite pulling the rug away from underneath it and eight fucking years in the second tier make it unsustainable. We have Premier League overheads on Championship income - if we don't get out of this league we really are fucked long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Are you completely sacking your entire youth set up? Or is it just a case that you'll still have youth squads but with a lot less money in it?Upon relegation we severely cut money towards youth development, but still ran youth squads, and we got Stevie May out that approach. We've recently kick started youth development though, and it's taken over five years for the first solid batch to start progressing into the U20s.Be aware that it could take a decade for your youth system to re-establish itself if you're starting from scratch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I know I said Paul Hartley likes a clearout but fs he's taking it to new levels here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofabairn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 hours ago, MrDust said: We cut our cloth slightly to previous season but just cause like many you dont feel that players are up to playing in the position placed, doesnt mean we dont have a player for the postion, the buck falls with the manager in that retrospect 2017/18 Mitchell, Thomson Kidd, Muirhead McGhee, Grant, Watson, Gasporotto , Balatoni, Muirhead Gallacher, McGhee Craigen, Hippolyte, Harris Kerr, Taiwo,Craigen, Sibbald, McKee Craigen, Hippolyte, Sibbald, Harris Loy, Austin, Miller, O'Hara 2016/17 Rogers Mehmet, Thomson Kidd, Muirhead McCracken, Grant, Watson, Gasporotto, Muirhead Leahy, Gallacher Craigen, Hippolyte, Aird Kerr, Taiwo, Rankin,Craigen, Sibbald, McKee Craigen, Hippolyte, Sibbald Baird, Austin, Miller, McHugh Your argument fails totally at leftback. Mcghee is a centre half. TG aint a fitba player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstand_bairn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Tam McManus saying on twitter there is to be a meeting tomorrow with money to be put back into the academy to keep it going? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Tam McManus saying on twitter there is to be a meeting tomorrow with money to be put back into the academy to keep it going? External investment, interesting to see how the club react. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Fitzgerald Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Tam McManus saying on twitter there is to be a meeting tomorrow with money to be put back into the academy to keep it going? How does he even know this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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