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Absolutely.

He's lost the plot. His squad, team, formation and tactics are the product of someone that either doesn't give a feck or is completely delusional. That said, the board will never bin him because he's meeting their ambition to the letter; play-offs on their conservative budget every year with no danger whatsoever of ever going up.


Agree with every word and that is soul destroying to be honest.

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39 minutes ago, PG.Colossus said:


Absolutely.

He's lost the plot. His squad, team, formation and tactics are the product of someone that either doesn't give a feck or is completely delusional. That said, the board will never bin him because he's meeting their ambition to the letter; play-offs on their conservative budget every year with no danger whatsoever of ever going up.

Play offs my arse unless I'm blind. 

We'll be lucky to finish fourth and will still have the one point this time next week.

Dundee are shite and they didn't want Loy, that should have put the fear of death into a decent Manager. But because he did well a few seasons ago we dive in.

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Play offs my arse unless I'm blind. 
We'll be lucky to finish fourth and will still have the one point this time next week.
Dundee are shite and they didn't want Loy, that should have put the fear of death into a decent Manager. But because he did well a few seasons ago we dive in.


Thats shite on both points.

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4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

 


Thats shite on both points.

 

I wouldn't hammer loy as he's simply not fit. He is quite obviously struggling after the injury at st mirren where he played pretty well setting up our goal. Unfortunately Houston obviously has little confidence in giving one of the others a go from the start and so he starts loy even when not 100 percent. He seems to love giving players contracts and then never playing them. Can only think it's because it saves him the effort of finding others.

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1 minute ago, wullie robb said:

So Loy is still the player he was ? 

And Top four is a stick on.

Ok I'm reasonably happy now.

I wouldn't say we'll make top 4 but I'd wait till loys fit before giving him pelters. He's only 29 so should be at the top of his game. 

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3 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

I wouldn't say we'll make top 4 but I'd wait till loys fit before giving him pelters. He's only 29 so should be at the top of his game. 

Shadwell I'm not giving Loy Pelters. 

I said Dundee are shite as proven today and if he was still the player that left us he wouldn't be back.

Hopefully he gets fit and starts producing but I'm doubtful he will.

Only my opinion. 

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11 minutes ago, wullie robb said:

Shadwell I'm not giving Loy Pelters. 

I said Dundee are shite as proven today and if he was still the player that left us he wouldn't be back.

Hopefully he gets fit and starts producing but I'm doubtful he will.

Only my opinion. 

He never really had a chance last season. Scored 3 in 4 starts  at dens and yet still got moved on to st mirren where he was excellent. First season under hartley he scored 9 in 21 starts which is good going at that level  but even then he couldn't get a regular game due to hemmings form

 McCann never even gave him a chance before he bailed out to us. His link up play in the first half at st mirren was first class and Austin should really have scored more. The difference in his performance against Livie post getting his ribs fecked was night and day. Im far more worried in the fact that austin cant finish a fish supper at the moment.

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41 minutes ago, wullie robb said:

Play offs my arse unless I'm blind. 

We'll be lucky to finish fourth and will still have the one point this time next week.

Dundee are shite and they didn't want Loy, that should have put the fear of death into a decent Manager. But because he did well a few seasons ago we dive in.

and your point is we shouldnt take players that dont make the grade with premier league teams. what sort of budget do you think we have?

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Thanks for bob mccugh the lad loves a goal against the spoon burners.

Pleasing

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Spratte I know the budget and I'm surprised that Loy would drop his wages to our level. 

Surely if he was as good as some think he could have got double what we pay at quite a few club's. 

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6 minutes ago, wullie robb said:

Spratte I know the budget and I'm surprised that Loy would drop his wages to our level. 

Surely if he was as good as some think he could have got double what we pay at quite a few club's. 

not sure what your point is, we are probably paying him what he is worth. imo he has been injured last two games and shouldnt have played. pre season and early doors against the saints he looked top shelf. i could be wrong and he may not be injured and has just been shite the last two games

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2 hours ago, PG.Colossus said:


Absolutely.

He's lost the plot. His squad, team, formation and tactics are the product of someone that either doesn't give a feck or is completely delusional. That said, the board will never bin him because he's meeting their ambition to the letter; play-offs on their conservative budget every year with no danger whatsoever of ever going up.

this must be true, we haven't went up therefore we don't want to go up!! lets assume all our directors are 100% committed to staying within budget and put ever putting a penny into the club, they must look at clubs with smaller supports in the spfl (ie, st johnstone) who can pay better wages than us but are also staying within budget due to the tv money, sponsorship, bigger away crowds etc, would you rather then finish in play offs and not go up or go up and do exactly the same in the spfl, keep in a budget etc but instead of having to go to places like alloa, ayr, Dumbarton or livy you are going to ibrox, parkhead, Aberdeen etc ever couple of weeks and the added bonus of getting less stick from the support as we are in the top league? it's a no-brainer, heard the same "we don't want to go up" " we can't afford to go up" crap in the 80s, funny it stopped when we went up.

 

that's not to say things are great or we don't have problems, I said in the Dumbarton match thread that Houston is to negative sometimes and the lack of natural full backs is a big problem. however it's early in the season and all teams will drop loads of points this season as there isn't a big difference in standard between top and bottom, we hit a run of form and we'll be right in the mix at the end of the season COYB.

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Just watched Houston's after match interview. He doesn't think Mark Kerr was any worse than the rest of our midfield yesterday !!!!!

 

Holy f**k Peter, he slows us down, never drives us forward, only passes backwards or sideways and regularly gives away possession. He's been a good servant but he's done.

 

It's funny that he stated our play changed in the last 20/25 minutes and we attacked better. Could there be a reason for that.

 

Also think that O'Hara showed in the brief time he got that he's worth a punt until Loy is 100% fit.

 

I honestly think we have a decent squad that could push United for the title but we need our manager to change his tactics especially at home, have more faith in certain young players and stop being loyal to players that are done and should be used sparingly.

 

 

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Only difference between when Kerr was off the pitch is that we created more chances, got the ball out wide quicker, won the ball back quicker and dominated the game.

 

Kerr starts next week regardless.

 

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Just watched Houston's after match interview. He doesn't think Mark Kerr was any worse than the rest of our midfield yesterday !!!!!
 
Holy f**k Peter, he slows us down, never drives us forward, only passes backwards or sideways and regularly gives away possession. He's been a good servant but he's done.
 
It's funny that he stated our play changed in the last 20/25 minutes and we attacked better. Could there be a reason for that.
 
Also think that O'Hara showed in the brief time he got that he's worth a punt until Loy is 100% fit.
 
I honestly think we have a decent squad that could push United for the title but we need our manager to change his tactics especially at home, have more faith in certain young players and stop being loyal to players that are done and should be used sparingly.
 
 


I didn't think Kerr was bad yesterday but I don't think he should be our 1st choice & I never want to see him and Taiwo paired together ever again. Think he can have a role to play but must be used sparingly, I wouldn't have given him another deal as I don't think we can carry someone that can only be used intermittently but that just one of many, many decisions I don't agree with.

I completely disagree with Houston that Kerr was given a bad reception from the crowd. He was booed last season but I haven't heard that this year. He has been a fantastic servant to the club and if he was booed then those that did should be embarrassed.

Houston was bemoaning the failure of the strikers to take their chances. This was true but he seems to gloss over the very good chances the opposition squandered and is in complete denial of the fact that his selections/tactics initially handed the impetus to them and he had to once again make changes to recover a situation of his own making.

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16 hours ago, ANEWHOPE said:

 


Trust me, there are plenty. Some on here (like me) don't half whinge and moan, however there are plenty that can't see the woods from the trees. Some that see any criticism of the club as an act of betrayal. Mr Hype for example is a specialist at this.

 

There are plenty criticisms and everyone has the right to have an opinion but when you look at it we have came 2nd 2 seasons in a row  only to be beaten by teams with far bigger budgets than us and a top 4 play off.  For those saying sack Houston who do you suggest takes over bar the usual suspects and knowing our board i would reckon they would appoint Pressley again if he applied lets face it they gave him the job first time.

For those commenting about Sibbs not walking back into the team, when you consider how we played in the pre season/betfred cup before the 5th of Aug it would be difficult to displace anyone of the team.

As for now yes we are having problems with injuries/match fitness as well as confidence its just unfortunate and every team will have a crisis like that to some point this season fact is we are having a bad start to the season which lets face it happens a lot of the time but to push panic buttons 2 league games in seriously.  

There are a lot of angles to look at for things but getting on a players back just because your unhappy/dont like the guy delete as applicable its on a par with someone wanting you sacked at work for having one shite day it happens. End of the day Houston knows his players and how to get the best out of them publicly criticising a player isnt going to do his game or confidence any good.

Its not being a happy clapper its just seeing the situation for what it is, sometimes wish some of those from One F hadn't found P&B ..lol, it was fine when we had the moaning contained in the one forum.

 

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I wouldn't sack Houston but David Hopkin and Stevie Aitken are doing well at smaller clubs in the league. Dare I say it but I'd also take Ian McCall. Paul Hartley would possibly take the job. There may be managers from down South who are out of work.

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I wouldn't sack Houston but David Hopkin and Stevie Aitken are doing well at smaller clubs in the league. Dare I say it but I'd also take Ian McCall. Paul Hartley would possibly take the job. There may be managers from down South who are out of work.

You & I both know it would be Miller/Kerr who would get the gig.

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