The Falkirk FC Thread

[Fae_the_'briggs]

58 minutes ago, Chinatoon Bairn said:

From the worst full time team 17/18, to the best full time team 18/19.

It's going to be beautiful seeing you gradually become more of a seething mess as we continually roll you over this year.

 

For a BIG club like Falkirk finishing above the likes of QOS and Morton shouldn't be viewed as an achievement but a formality,  so nothing to really seeth about for me.   I admire your faith in thinking that Hartley will be your Saviour.  He's certainly made a great improvement in his time in charge,  you managed to move up the table and finish above Dumbarton. 

[Shodwall cat]

23 minutes ago, Fae_the_'briggs said:

For a BIG club like Falkirk finishing above the likes of QOS and Morton shouldn't be viewed as an achievement but a formality,  so nothing to really seeth about for me.   I admire your faith in thinking that Hartley will be your Saviour.  He's certainly made a great improvement in his time in charge,  you managed to move up the table and finish above Dumbarton. 

From the transfer window onwards we were about second in points gained . I would say that was a big improvement yes.  Jack Ross still had St Mirren in relegation trouble going into the last weekend of the season he took over so yes there is a good deal of optimism at the moment.

[EdiBairn]

46 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said:

At BTW Hartley stated that although the club could force Sibbald to sign as they have an option he only wants players committed to FFC and so doesnt want anyone signing who doesnt really want to be there. 

Hopefully Hartley doesn't put his principles ahead of keeping our best player.

[Newbornbairn]

They wouldn't be principles if he didn't.  I like Sibbald but if he doesn't want to be here it's best for all concerned if we say cheery-bye.

[FFCinthearea]

In typical Falkirk fashion there was an error in offering Sibbs his new contract.  I understand that they got the dates  of the new contract wrong so there was a few days gap between the expiry and the start.   Due to the discrepancy he's technically a free agent so we won't get compensation.

[EdiBairn]

23 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

In typical Falkirk fashion there was an error in offering Sibbs his new contract.  I understand that they got the dates  of the new contract wrong so there was a few days gap between the expiry and the start.   Due to the discrepancy he's technically a free agent so we won't get compensation.

If that's the case, there need to be heads rolling. We've brought in a CEO to professionalise the running of the club, and we also have an experienced solicitor as chairwoman, yet that's now 2 huge errors in the last few weeks.

Edited May 11, 2018 by EdiBairn

[FFCinthearea]

6 minutes ago, EdiBairn said:

If that's the case, there need to be heads rolling. We've brought in a CEO to professionalise the running of the club, and we also have an experienced solicitor as chairwoman, yet that's now 2 huge errors in the last few weeks.

I heard this last night from a reliable source.

[Kyle]

36 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

In typical Falkirk fashion there was an error in offering Sibbs his new contract.  I understand that they got the dates  of the new contract wrong so there was a few days gap between the expiry and the start.   Due to the discrepancy he's technically a free agent so we won't get compensation.

*emails Tommy Wright*

Surely that isn't true? Horrendous mistake if so

[Bainsfordbairn]

2 hours ago, Back Post Misses said:

Rumours been going around for at least a couple of weeks that the club didn’t offer Sibbald his deal in time for us to take the option up. This true or not?

It's honestly not something I know about, though if it were true that's hardly surprising.  I don't imagine folk at the club would publicise their errors.

However, as posts both here and on FB earlier this week prove, things do have a habit of leaking. You said to me a year or so back that certain directors "sing like canaries". I'm no longer as sceptical about that as I once was.

Edited May 11, 2018 by Bainsfordbairn

[Shodwall cat]

41 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

In typical Falkirk fashion there was an error in offering Sibbs his new contract.  I understand that they got the dates  of the new contract wrong so there was a few days gap between the expiry and the start.   Due to the discrepancy he's technically a free agent so we won't get compensation.

I presume that its taking up the option that hasnt been done in time  as I would've thought that terms would be agreed when the option was stuck in the contract.  At the end of the day Sibbald was only going to be here if he wants to be here it would appear.  It was the same with McGhee and Robson and they've chosen to sign back up again.  

Edited May 11, 2018 by Shodwall cat

[EdiBairn]

4 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said:

I would have thought that any new contract would've been agreed when the option was arranged. No point in having an option and then agreeing terms at a later date.  At the end of the day Sibbald was only going to be here if he wants to be here it would appear.  It was the same with McGhee and Robson and they've chosen to sign back up again.  

It was announced last summer that Sibbald had signed a 1 year contract, with a 1 year option to be exercised by us for next season. It would appear that option hasn't been exercised in time and it's now being spun as Hartley 'only wanting players who want to be here' when in fact it's our cock up.

Whether he wants to be here or not, we wouldn't just have let him leave without a development fee, otherwise he would have been gone last year.

Edited May 11, 2018 by EdiBairn

[ka202]

A perfect example of the sneaky cnut he is.  A typical give it out but can't take it type of player.  Well placed with the worst full time team in the Championship 2017-2018.

f**k up

[Shodwall cat]

3 minutes ago, EdiBairn said:

It was announced last summer that Sibbald had signed a 1 year contract, with a 1 year option to be exercised by us for next season. It would appear that option hasn't been exercised in time and it's now being spun as Hartley 'only wanting players who want to be here' when in fact it's our cock up.

Whether he wants to be here or not, we wouldn't just have let him leave without a development fee, otherwise he would have been gone last year.

He's too old for a development fee now and we definitely don't want the same thing happening as last season . If he wants to play for Falkirk he'll be here otherwise it'll probably be St Johnstone or Dundee for him.

[Jason King]

59 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

In typical Falkirk fashion there was an error in offering Sibbs his new contract.  I understand that they got the dates  of the new contract wrong so there was a few days gap between the expiry and the start.   Due to the discrepancy he's technically a free agent so we won't get compensation.

I'll call that bull - unless Falkirk give their players contracts that expire before the end of the playoffs.

Do clubs actually only give contracts up until the end of Game 36 - what would have happened if you'd stayed in ninth or again made the Cup final?

[Skyline Drifter]

1 hour ago, Shodwall cat said:

From the transfer window onwards we were about second in points gained . I would say that was a big improvement yes.  Jack Ross still had St Mirren in relegation trouble going into the last weekend of the season he took over so yes there is a good deal of optimism at the moment.

Having trouble getting an exact table on a given date but it would be corrupted by different teams having more games in hand anyway. Form guide over last 15 fixtures (roughly back to mid January) show Falkirk 3rd behind Inverness and St Mirren but that's a point ahead of Livingston who basically chucked their last two games to rest up for the playoffs.

Your general point is valid. The degree to which you are claiming it affected things is slightly exaggerated.

[Believe The Hype]

7 minutes ago, Jason King said:

I'll call that bull - unless Falkirk give their players contracts that expire before the end of the playoffs.

Do clubs actually only give contracts up until the end of Game 36 - what would have happened if you'd stayed in ninth or again made the Cup final?

Exactly what my thoughts were. I'm sure their contracts will stipulate a date when they finish rather than just say whenever our last game has been played. 

[Skyline Drifter]

14 minutes ago, Jason King said:

I'll call that bull - unless Falkirk give their players contracts that expire before the end of the playoffs.

Do clubs actually only give contracts up until the end of Game 36 - what would have happened if you'd stayed in ninth or again made the Cup final?

They can if they want. And they'd then need to give the players short terms extensions if they reach the playoffs. Some clubs do that, particularly in lower divisions. Players are under no obligation to accept a shorter contract though, or to sign a short term extension of course though it's fairly unlikely anyone in such a position would deliberately remove themselves from playing in the playoffs when they can't sign for anyone else until the window opens anyway.

When the playoffs first came in a lot of players were in that position because standard practice before then was to contract to the end of the season only and some players had existing multi year contracts running forward.

EDITED to add: With Sibbald it might potentially be that they need to issue a formal extension a certain number of days before the existing contract expires and haven't done it. If there's any truth in that rumous at all of course.

Edited May 11, 2018 by Skyline Drifter

[Skyline Drifter]

4 minutes ago, Believe The Hype said:

Exactly what my thoughts were. I'm sure their contracts will stipulate a date when they finish rather than just say whenever our last game has been played. 

Contracts MUST have a definite end date. They can't be "whenever the last game has been played". However, some clubs include clauses dropping the wage to near enough nil once the last game has been played. That tends to be more part time clubs of course. Not sure on the legalities of a full time club doing so.

[Jason King]

A notification of extension or lack thereof  is far more likely to be what has happened. 

 

edit - if it has actually happened!

Edited May 11, 2018 by Jason King

[falkirkthebigclub]

Hopes/expectations for next eseason:

• win more than half of our fixtures
• lose less than ten
• a sound defence/concede less than 40 goals
• average over 1.5 goals scored per game
• a dominant midfield
• the Party Bus to require a police escort on at least 3 occasions.

Not too much to ask, over to you, PH.