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6 minutes ago, wullie robb said:

Spratte I know the budget and I'm surprised that Loy would drop his wages to our level. 

Surely if he was as good as some think he could have got double what we pay at quite a few club's. 

not sure what your point is, we are probably paying him what he is worth. imo he has been injured last two games and shouldnt have played. pre season and early doors against the saints he looked top shelf. i could be wrong and he may not be injured and has just been shite the last two games

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2 hours ago, PG.Colossus said:


Absolutely.

He's lost the plot. His squad, team, formation and tactics are the product of someone that either doesn't give a feck or is completely delusional. That said, the board will never bin him because he's meeting their ambition to the letter; play-offs on their conservative budget every year with no danger whatsoever of ever going up.

this must be true, we haven't went up therefore we don't want to go up!! lets assume all our directors are 100% committed to staying within budget and put ever putting a penny into the club, they must look at clubs with smaller supports in the spfl (ie, st johnstone) who can pay better wages than us but are also staying within budget due to the tv money, sponsorship, bigger away crowds etc, would you rather then finish in play offs and not go up or go up and do exactly the same in the spfl, keep in a budget etc but instead of having to go to places like alloa, ayr, Dumbarton or livy you are going to ibrox, parkhead, Aberdeen etc ever couple of weeks and the added bonus of getting less stick from the support as we are in the top league? it's a no-brainer, heard the same "we don't want to go up" " we can't afford to go up" crap in the 80s, funny it stopped when we went up.

 

that's not to say things are great or we don't have problems, I said in the Dumbarton match thread that Houston is to negative sometimes and the lack of natural full backs is a big problem. however it's early in the season and all teams will drop loads of points this season as there isn't a big difference in standard between top and bottom, we hit a run of form and we'll be right in the mix at the end of the season COYB.

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Just watched Houston's after match interview. He doesn't think Mark Kerr was any worse than the rest of our midfield yesterday !!!!!

 

Holy f**k Peter, he slows us down, never drives us forward, only passes backwards or sideways and regularly gives away possession. He's been a good servant but he's done.

 

It's funny that he stated our play changed in the last 20/25 minutes and we attacked better. Could there be a reason for that.

 

Also think that O'Hara showed in the brief time he got that he's worth a punt until Loy is 100% fit.

 

I honestly think we have a decent squad that could push United for the title but we need our manager to change his tactics especially at home, have more faith in certain young players and stop being loyal to players that are done and should be used sparingly.

 

 

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Just watched Houston's after match interview. He doesn't think Mark Kerr was any worse than the rest of our midfield yesterday !!!!!
 
Holy f**k Peter, he slows us down, never drives us forward, only passes backwards or sideways and regularly gives away possession. He's been a good servant but he's done.
 
It's funny that he stated our play changed in the last 20/25 minutes and we attacked better. Could there be a reason for that.
 
Also think that O'Hara showed in the brief time he got that he's worth a punt until Loy is 100% fit.
 
I honestly think we have a decent squad that could push United for the title but we need our manager to change his tactics especially at home, have more faith in certain young players and stop being loyal to players that are done and should be used sparingly.
 
 


I didn't think Kerr was bad yesterday but I don't think he should be our 1st choice & I never want to see him and Taiwo paired together ever again. Think he can have a role to play but must be used sparingly, I wouldn't have given him another deal as I don't think we can carry someone that can only be used intermittently but that just one of many, many decisions I don't agree with.

I completely disagree with Houston that Kerr was given a bad reception from the crowd. He was booed last season but I haven't heard that this year. He has been a fantastic servant to the club and if he was booed then those that did should be embarrassed.

Houston was bemoaning the failure of the strikers to take their chances. This was true but he seems to gloss over the very good chances the opposition squandered and is in complete denial of the fact that his selections/tactics initially handed the impetus to them and he had to once again make changes to recover a situation of his own making.

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16 hours ago, ANEWHOPE said:

 


Trust me, there are plenty. Some on here (like me) don't half whinge and moan, however there are plenty that can't see the woods from the trees. Some that see any criticism of the club as an act of betrayal. Mr Hype for example is a specialist at this.

 

There are plenty criticisms and everyone has the right to have an opinion but when you look at it we have came 2nd 2 seasons in a row  only to be beaten by teams with far bigger budgets than us and a top 4 play off.  For those saying sack Houston who do you suggest takes over bar the usual suspects and knowing our board i would reckon they would appoint Pressley again if he applied lets face it they gave him the job first time.

For those commenting about Sibbs not walking back into the team, when you consider how we played in the pre season/betfred cup before the 5th of Aug it would be difficult to displace anyone of the team.

As for now yes we are having problems with injuries/match fitness as well as confidence its just unfortunate and every team will have a crisis like that to some point this season fact is we are having a bad start to the season which lets face it happens a lot of the time but to push panic buttons 2 league games in seriously.  

There are a lot of angles to look at for things but getting on a players back just because your unhappy/dont like the guy delete as applicable its on a par with someone wanting you sacked at work for having one shite day it happens. End of the day Houston knows his players and how to get the best out of them publicly criticising a player isnt going to do his game or confidence any good.

Its not being a happy clapper its just seeing the situation for what it is, sometimes wish some of those from One F hadn't found P&B ..lol, it was fine when we had the moaning contained in the one forum.

 

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I wouldn't sack Houston but David Hopkin and Stevie Aitken are doing well at smaller clubs in the league. Dare I say it but I'd also take Ian McCall. Paul Hartley would possibly take the job. There may be managers from down South who are out of work.

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I wouldn't sack Houston but David Hopkin and Stevie Aitken are doing well at smaller clubs in the league. Dare I say it but I'd also take Ian McCall. Paul Hartley would possibly take the job. There may be managers from down South who are out of work.

You & I both know it would be Miller/Kerr who would get the gig.
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There are plenty criticisms and everyone has the right to have an opinion but when you look at it we have came 2nd 2 seasons in a row  only to be beaten by teams with far bigger budgets than us and a top 4 play off.  For those saying sack Houston who do you suggest takes over bar the usual suspects and knowing our board i would reckon they would appoint Pressley again if he applied lets face it they gave him the job first time.
For those commenting about Sibbs not walking back into the team, when you consider how we played in the pre season/betfred cup before the 5th of Aug it would be difficult to displace anyone of the team.
As for now yes we are having problems with injuries/match fitness as well as confidence its just unfortunate and every team will have a crisis like that to some point this season fact is we are having a bad start to the season which lets face it happens a lot of the time but to push panic buttons 2 league games in seriously.  

There are a lot of angles to look at for things but getting on a players back just because your unhappy/dont like the guy delete as applicable its on a par with someone wanting you sacked at work for having one shite day it happens. End of the day Houston knows his players and how to get the best out of them publicly criticising a player isnt going to do his game or confidence any good.
Its not being a happy clapper its just seeing the situation for what it is, sometimes wish some of those from One F hadn't found P&B ..lol, it was fine when we had the moaning contained in the one forum.

 


So your argument against sacking him is a combination of concern about how we would get to replace him & you think 2nd spot is success, considering the opposition?

Don't agree at all with that rationale & as good as 2nd has maybe been, it ultimately has achieved heehaw.

Also think there are plenty of options out there for a replacement. Houston has become increasingly more stubborn as the years & overly loyal to players/systems/formations that haven't delivered, so just about any change would be a step forward for me.

Added to that he in my opinion, has become a barrier to youth player development. Hugely important for what I want as a fan but more so in terms of revenue. He seems to think a wining team & developing players are mutually exclusive, I don't.

My point regarding Sibbs is that regardless of how well we played in the early games I think he brings with him genuine quality that we needed then & more so now. Some were suggesting he doesn't & I will never agree with that.

I agree to an extent with your injury point but again it comes down to his failure to have assembled a squad that can cope with injuries. We are in a position when I am looking forward to Muirhead returning!!! How can that be? Not to have one youth player better than an overweight Luca is negligent and again comes back to one person.

Your final point makes no sense at all to me. I'm not criticising a guy for having a bad day at the office. I questioning how he has led the team over 3 years!! However you go well beyond making sense when you say that Houston knows his players!! Utter bullshit. If you genuinely think he gets the best out of players then I am staggered by that!!

You say you are seeing the situation for what it is! In your opinion, my opinion very different and as you say that is my prerogative. However still think P&B a long, long way from OneF levels of debate & discussion.

However I seem to recall you looking at a picture of Sibbs a while back & interpreting that he looked sad. [emoji23] Maybe you should just stick to that. People could post pics & you could tell us what their emotional state is. Save having to read more drivel [emoji12]
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I wouldn't sack Houston but David Hopkin and Stevie Aitken are doing well at smaller clubs in the league. Dare I say it but I'd also take Ian McCall. Paul Hartley would possibly take the job. There may be managers from down South who are out of work.


Genuine question as you often seem quite a reasonable poster but what makes you still think Houston still the right person. I'm like a broken record on this issue & therefore interested to hear the counter argument.
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Genuine question as you often seem quite a reasonable poster but what makes you still think Houston still the right person. I'm like a broken record on this issue & therefore interested to hear the counter argument.


Relative success over the last two seasons, addition of our best player on Friday, an improved performance yesterday, and the positive group stage in the League Cup shouldn't be discounted. Ask me again after 9-12 games.
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For those saying sack Houston who do you suggest takes over bar the usual suspects?

Anyone that will play a right back at right back and a right winger on the right wing. The suitable candidate must also realise that playing with 2 defensive midfielders at home to inferior opposition will very rarely end well.
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I wouldn't want Houston sacked.
He deserves another season, even if it is just to see if he can make the play offs.  
 

Hopefully the addition of Sibbs will stop him playing Kerr but I doubt it. Fan pressure will have him out if it continues.
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44 minutes ago, ANEWHOPE said:

 


So your argument against sacking him is a combination of concern about how we would get to replace him & you think 2nd spot is success, considering the opposition?

Don't agree at all with that rationale & as good as 2nd has maybe been, it ultimately has achieved heehaw.

Also think there are plenty of options out there for a replacement. Houston has become increasingly more stubborn as the years & overly loyal to players/systems/formations that haven't delivered, so just about any change would be a step forward for me.

Added to that he in my opinion, has become a barrier to youth player development. Hugely important for what I want as a fan but more so in terms of revenue. He seems to think a wining team & developing players are mutually exclusive, I don't.

My point regarding Sibbs is that regardless of how well we played in the early games I think he brings with him genuine quality that we needed then & more so now. Some were suggesting he doesn't & I will never agree with that.

I agree to an extent with your injury point but again it comes down to his failure to have assembled a squad that can cope with injuries. We are in a position when I am looking forward to Muirhead returning!!! How can that be? Not to have one youth player better than an overweight Luca is negligent and again comes back to one person.

Your final point makes no sense at all to me. I'm not criticising a guy for having a bad day at the office. I questioning how he has led the team over 3 years!! However you go well beyond making sense when you say that Houston knows his players!! Utter bullshit. If you genuinely think he gets the best out of players then I am staggered by that!!

You say you are seeing the situation for what it is! In your opinion, my opinion very different and as you say that is my prerogative. However still think P&B a long, long way from OneF levels of debate & discussion.

However I seem to recall you looking at a picture of Sibbs a while back & interpreting that he looked sad. emoji23.png Maybe you should just stick to that. People could post pics & you could tell us what their emotional state is. Save having to read more drivel emoji12.png

 

No i pointed out that he looked as if he didnt want to be there as i said anyone thats been to Luton knows how much of a sh*te hole it is and going by some of the discussion on here it was implied the board wanted him sold for revenue when Sibbs himself wanted to sign, If your hand was being forced into a situation you didnt want to be in (i.e. going to Luton when you would rather be home) you would be a bit dour about things.

With the situation as it is and knowing his players if anyone could have predicted we would have an injury problem at the start of the season and players suspended (muirhead and Sibbs) if you can let me know the winning lottery numbers on Saturday thanks, You would need to be Nostradamus to see that one, going by signings we have released more than brought in and yes Houston made the signings but again no one could have seen injuries and suspensions this early one and he obv felt we had enough to cover.

I agree with your point about youth development but i think this season is throwing a few young lads in the hope they prove to shine enough for to sell on. As for the second place as much as it has proved hee haw under old systems in ploace before reconstruction it would have still got you promoted as a runner up not the clubs fault the SPFL is a cluster although play of is a bit more entertaining but still flawed as it favours the Premiership side.

Honestly wonder if half the moans would be going on if we had got of to a winning start.  Maybe for the next gimic the club pull out they can get you and shadwell a balcony for the game.:P

 

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31 minutes ago, PG.Colossus said:


Anyone that will play a right back at right back and a right winger on the right wing. The suitable candidate must also realise that playing with 2 defensive midfielders at home to inferior opposition will very rarely end well.

Houston's attempts to sort the right side of our team have been utterly laughable.

McCann, Sinnamon, shaughnessy, aird, craigen(I like him as a player but never a right winger) kidd, harris etc. One shit signing after another to play that side. The clown wouldn't know a decent right sided player if he fell in his lap. God knows how much in wages he's pished Down the drain on this mob craigen apart.

 

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No i pointed out that he looked as if he didnt want to be there as i said anyone thats been to Luton knows how much of a sh*te hole it is and going by some of the discussion on here it was implied the board wanted him sold for revenue when Sibbs himself wanted to sign, If your hand was being forced into a situation you didnt want to be in (i.e. going to Luton when you would rather be home) you would be a bit dour about things.

With the situation as it is and knowing his players if anyone could have predicted we would have an injury problem at the start of the season and players suspended (muirhead and Sibbs) if you can let me know the winning lottery numbers on Saturday thanks, You would need to be Nostradamus to see that one, going by signings we have released more than brought in and yes Houston made the signings but again no one could have seen injuries and suspensions this early one and he obv felt we had enough to cover.
I agree with your point about youth development but i think this season is throwing a few young lads in the hope they prove to shine enough for to sell on. As for the second place as much as it has proved hee haw under old systems in ploace before reconstruction it would have still got you promoted as a runner up not the clubs fault the SPFL is a cluster although play of is a bit more entertaining but still flawed as it favours the Premiership side.
Honestly wonder if half the moans would be going on if we had got of to a winning start.  Maybe for the next gimic the club pull out they can get you and shadwell a balcony for the game.[emoji14]

 


My point was that you cannot read anything into a single photo. I'm sure there are pictures of me were it looks like I am smiling!! But as you know that doesn't depict what is actually going on. [emoji22]

I don't think having an injury/suspension in one position should be that hard to anticipate and to solve it by playing Luca is desperate. He may have thought he had cover but he doesn't, certainly not adequate cover. Although to be fair Luca wasn't terrible there yesterday but the deficiencies in that position hamper everything else in my opinion and ultimately having Muirhead back is no real comfort.

We will never know if my moans would have diminished if we had a winning league start. One of the issues I have is that after 3 years the same is true, we start badly and have to play catch up.

Instead of the gimmicks tho, how about just give us some ambition & promotion. These would all look better if the team won. That should be priority number 1. I honestly think that some of Board went home thinking that was a success as we got a wee photo of that shit in the paper.
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