Troy.1995 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Durnford said: The only think I can generally make out from the west stand speakers is "lets make all the noise" and that's probably only because I know its coming. Not sure youl hear that again D.Colin Brown our long serving stadium announcer has been relieved of his duties apparently. . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Hilarious that the random accounts on here who were asking fans to 'just ask' Hogarth for his side of the story have gone all quiet. He's been asked, what now? I thought it was that easy and he'd just reply? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) Reading these last few pages has been painful viewing, saddening to every football fan and downright confusing. Even for somebody with no dog in the fight. Like every football fan on here, I wish and hope that the genuine supporters still have a club to support when the dust settles. From the outside looking in its always felt the ownership of the club and internal power struggles and ulterior motives from within the boardroom would prove to be the undoing of the club. Too many questions still remain unanswered and I don't think anybody knows what the actual answers are such is the passage of time. That's hugely worrying. It looks like time in the Premiership might very well be up, in a perverse sort of way relegation might give those with a genuine drive and ambition for the club to finally rid it of the shysters who still lurk about craving what breadcrumbs are still on the table to the detriment of the bigger picture. Perhaps the shysters themselves will walk and never be seen again. I fear until it actually happens the club will be seriously held back from any meaningful progression. Ultimately it's always the genuine fans who suffer and are left to show their backing in times of need long after most in the boardroom have departed. The best of luck to each and every one of you. I genuinely mean it. Edited 6 hours ago by BukyOHare 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 29 minutes ago, Livi said: Please tell me this is a wind up? Go and just be normal and give normal replies instead of the smart arse stuff every single time. I don't even know what you're asking there. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durnford Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: Go and just be normal and give normal replies instead of the smart arse stuff every single time. I don't even know what you're asking there. I think he might have been referring to the post from L4E you were responding to. Not sure he meant to ask you the question as it didn't seem to make sense. In response to your original question I hadn't noticed that comment from the announcer either so you and I (and LIVI apparently) are both in the dark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozam76 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: I missed that. Which match was it? Was the phrase "the club's enemies" actually used? I think he’s referring to when it happened under Massone. Home to Partick Thistle if memory serves. Massone had said the week previous that he was going to stand on the pitch pre match and read out a statement. He of course shat the bed and got Colin Young to do it instead. He also had the text printed onto A4 sheets and placed on the seats in the stands, reminiscent of Bruce Springsteen at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1975. Edited 6 hours ago by mozam76 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, mozam76 said: I think he’s referring to when it happened under Massone. Home to Partick Thistle if memory serves. Massone had said the week previous that he was going to stand on the pitch pre match and read out a statement. He of course shat the bed and got Colin Young to do it instead. He also has the text printed onto A4 sheets and placed on the seats in the stands, reminiscent of Bruce Springsteen at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1975. Oh, it was sarcasm, my bad. I missed a recent home match. Given Ward's tweets and club site statement, Dave Black's Youtube video statement, and David Hastie's tweets, I didn't think it was impossible some ridiculous half time announcement could've been made at the match I missed. Very glad that didn't actually happen as, aye, I recognised the Massone echoes. Edited 6 hours ago by Freedom Farter -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durnford Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 27 minutes ago, BukyOHare said: Reading these last few pages has been painful viewing, saddening to every football fan and downright confusing. Even for somebody with no dog in the fight. Like every football fan on here, I wish and hope that the genuine supporters still have a club to support when the dust settles. From the outside looking in its always felt the ownership of the club and internal power struggles and ulterior motives from within the boardroom would prove to be the undoing of the club. Too many questions still remain unanswered and I don't think anybody knows what the actual answers are such is the passage of time. That's hugely worrying. It looks like time in the Premiership might very well be up, in a perverse sort of way relegation might give those with a genuine drive and ambition for the club to finally rid it of the shysters who still lurk about craving what breadcrumbs are still on the table to the detriment of the bigger picture. Perhaps the shysters themselves will walk and never be seen again. I fear until it actually happens the club will be seriously held back from any meaningful progression. Ultimately it's always the genuine fans who suffer and are left to show their backing in times of need long after most in the boardroom have departed. The best of luck to each and every one of you. I genuinely mean it. Thanks. TBH as a club that don't own their own stadium we are at least free from the normal asset strippers that used to haunt the Scottish leagues. That doesn't free us from charlatans and bampot however unfortunately. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livi Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: Go and just be normal and give normal replies instead of the smart arse stuff every single time. I don't even know what you're asking there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Rankine is a vulture capitalist. He obtained ownership of a distressed asset on the cheap in the hope of turning it around financially to later make a profit from selling it on. Which means its true that he put in money at a crucial time. His shares were moved into his partner's name after he got done for multi-club ownership. So his majority ownership has been in the Sumner name for a long time now but its Rankine. He's always left the club for someone else to run. Ged Nixon, most disastrously. Ward initially did extremely well by Rankine, getting results from the actual football - the promotions - which dramatically increased the club's value. There was an opportunity for Rankine to cash out in 2020 when a £1M bid came in but he rejected. Presumably he thought an even better offer was around the corner. That offer didn't come. Shortly after, covid hit which curtailed the investment climate. Then Ward budgeted for Top Six two seasons running which was missed both times, incurring huge losses. This majorly downgraded the club's value. Hence Rankine has come out the woodwork again the last year. His shares are now worth a lot less than they were in 2020 and he's raging about that. Having a vulture capitalist as your majority owner isn't necessarily a bad thing. They're looking to make money either by turning the club profitable and creaming off some of that profit for themselves. Or by growing the club's value (the value of their shares) beyond the figure they bought in with. So their personal motive can match with financial health for the club. I don't know what Hogarth's game was or is. He was a Livi fan so its possible he just wanted partial ownership of the club he supported for the prestige alone. Although he has been close to Rankine for a while now so is maybe looking for personal profit too. Again, though, owners personally profiting isn't necessarily bad for club finances. They refuse all investment offers because that'd mean adding new shares which would dilute their existing shares. This would mean they'd potentially stand to profit less in the event of selling up, which is their eventual aim (well, definitely Rankine's, Hogarth's aims are less clear). This specifically has been bad for the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Yeah it was Gordon Ford running the club with 40% of the shares before getting Ward involved. Rankine's always been sniffing about pulling the strings, and popping up with court cases whenever we get a windfall, like the money from a cup game at Ibrox. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, mozam76 said: I think he’s referring to when it happened under Massone. Home to Partick Thistle if memory serves. Massone had said the week previous that he was going to stand on the pitch pre match and read out a statement. He of course shat the bed and got Colin Young to do it instead. He also had the text printed onto A4 sheets and placed on the seats in the stands, reminiscent of Bruce Springsteen at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1975. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 22 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Yeah it was Gordon Ford running the club with 40% of the shares before getting Ward involved. Rankine's always been sniffing about pulling the strings, and popping up with court cases whenever we get a windfall, like the money from a cup game at Ibrox. Ok, thanks for adding that. To anyone reading, the big blob of text I put above is just my current understanding. Its quite possibly (and probably) wrong so any corrections are very welcome. Including completely contrary breakdowns to what I put. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger the cabin boy Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 38 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: corrections are very welcome Funniest thing I’ve read in a while, cheers for the laugh ya p***k Edited 3 hours ago by Roger the cabin boy -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Roger the cabin boy said: Funniest thing I’ve read in a while, cheers for the laugh ya p***k Nice one, David, ya snooty c**t 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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