Marten

In the US, and to a lesser extend in the UK, social conservatives are generally also firmly on the right on most other issues. But elsewhere it can be quite common for social conservatives to have other views that are on the left. In The Netherlands there is a party (ChristianUnion) who are social conservatives but firmly on the left economically, have a consistent record of voting for workers' rights, to improve social security and things like that. Their explanation is that from a Christian point of view, they are meant to care for the "weaker" in society. So if anything, they feel that it's more Christian to be on the left on those issues.

Wtf, Denmark not through. My favourite of the night...

The Swedes do know how to put on a good show!

Joost Klein comes over as a genuinely decent bloke who has gone through a lot in his life. If he does well, I'd be happy for him. But it's definitely not my taste of music.

I know plenty more... Message in the lyrics is nice, but musically it's horrendous.

Embarrassing stuff, worst song of the night. Hate it, and that while I'm Dutch...

This is typical Eurovision

My new favourite so far, Denmark.

France my favourite so far.

I always call it Czech Republic. One of my best friends over here is Czech and she hates the new name. She always calls it Czech Republic and I am used to calling it the same as a result.

I quite like the Czech Republic.

No chance. I'm not even convinced it will reach the final. Just such a bad song.

Well, tonight time for me to be embarrassed of being Dutch again. Our song is just awful (and that's not because of the political, pro-EU, message in it as I agree with that).

The ban wasn't for the war. The ban was for Russia violating EBU rules on media freedom (not saying they're not hypocrites, but purely based on that, the ban is justifiable).

Thankfully nowadays we have lights. Also our pitch is a lot better than it was back then. This season, we've played a number of games when other games in the area (like at Dens Park) have been called off.

A bit late but congratulations on your title and good luck in the play-off.

This would be a valid point for any Tories who are on the "one nation" wing of the party. Not for ones firmly on the right of the party...

To be fair, in that case we'd first have played Fort William and I reckon we'd have beaten them first and went on to play Strathspey. There are some countries, I believe Germany is one of them, who have a rule in lower divisions that if a champion (or another club in a promotion spot) is ineligible, it does get passed down but with a caveat that it can only go x places lower. For example, a runner-up or 3rd placed team can take the place of a champion, but the 4th placed team can't.

Yeah, apparently in some circles, our 5-0 defeat against North End fed those rumours. Yet these people ignore that our players worked their socks off just a few days prior to come back from 2-0 down against East Craigie to win 3-2, they wouldn't have done that if they weren't bothered with promotion. Also, NE are absolutely flying at the moment as their other results show as well. We were simply beaten by a better team, that's football. Frustrating, especially as they won't get promoted (nor Broughty should NE still fail) but it is what it is. I know that behind the scenes a hell of a lot of work is already going on to move the club forward both on and off the pitch in the hope that next season we can come back stronger and hopefully win the title. That's why these claims that we wouldn't want it are just so ridiculous. Edit: and let's not ignore the fact that Lochee United were one of a few clubs in Tayside & the North region pushing for pyramid inclusion when talks were taking place with the HL to ultimately convince the other clubs to agree to it and get it voted through.

We don't fancy going up? Are you having a laugh? We are very keen on going up but this season we unfortunately simply came up against 2 stronger opponents in Broughty and North End.

Two-legged semi finals, followed by a final at a neutral venue.

We've got 2 1/2 weeks between our last league game and our cup final, fancy a trip to Dundee?

Having been there a few times, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Perth is closer from the west (Scone or Letham).

Apparently it's possible to apply for a period of grace as long as a plan is put in place. So not neccesarily.