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Says the idiot who constantly posts on here spouting the same nonsense With his big capital letters constantly , the irony ..........

You make a really interesting point regarding the junior cup semi finals , I remember going to two games at love street in the semis both Friday night games 1998 then 1999 I'm sure it was buffs v arthurlie twice with both victors them both nights eventually winning the Scottish cup , arthurlie and kilwinning respectively , back to the point of crowds kilwinning filled the Caledonia stand - behind the goals - on both occasions with some spill over going into the north bank cage to the left , the season we played buffs 2015/2016 they couldn't come close to filling behind the goals at bellsdale so yes crowds are dwindling , realise taking the game away from a senior neutral venue on a Friday night and competing with other Saturday fixtures will affect the crowd but even when you take the cumnock v Talbot scottish cup crowd this coming Saturday it will be maybe between 1,000 and 1,500 , this fixture in the Scottish in the 90's would have been pushing 3,000 , it's a shame to see really.

What's happening here is so called lesser teams are seeing an opportunity to leap frog bigger teams and get a head start on them , dalkeith couldn't lace boness and linlithgow boots normally in the juniors , instead they're taking the opportunity to leap frog the bigger east junior teams and also getting away from a shambolic ran level of football , for doing this I wish them all the best , haddington will be next,

This suits the sjfa , they don't want any proposals , they dont want anything other than to remain with the present status quo , turkeys voting for Xmas comes to mind , any change will be up to the club's and the club's only as these guys won't want to effectively lose their positions .

And also of course that the big boys team were playing that kilwinning people are mad on.

Can only speak for myself and nothing to do with the club I support but when BSC are trying to lead the way I'm a bit sceptical, a club that doesn't have its own ground , that play up in alloa in front of 40 fans at most aren't a club that I hold in high regard one bit , they're a shambles to me .

Good post and I like the sound of that , I honestly think that a full pyramid structure is coming and a west of Scotland league as a tier would slot in just about perfect .

I see I fully get that whitburn are your second team , I knew you were a bit caught between both clubs hence my confusion ............... but both Blackburn and whitburn need to believe that they can win it surely though , if you don't believe in yourself nobody else will , the year largs won it we beat them 10-0 in the sectional cup at the beginning of that season , believe believe [emoji2]

You make good points as you usually do , a wee question though , is it blackburn you support ? Always thought it was whitburn but either or do you believe every season your club enter the Scottish cup that your team have no chance of winning it?

That's two good things , I think it was a right financial crippler to get a guy sent off in the senior Scottish , not entirely sure if it was £500 but that figure was spoke about a good few years ago , that's okay for a full time club but not junior clubs and more so if it was early in the comp.

Likewise a day out in the early Scottish senior cup can be a costly non profit making business too , say a day out at wick or such like in front of a hundred or so fans ,a good few yellow cards and a red or two ( was it £500 per red card in 2009/2010 or such like ?) , Pay your clubs transport , pay players a win bonus if the result goes favourably and you're probably seeing little profit out a journey to wick if not a loss, and all in a competition you can't win , pretty much like your junior cup analogy . A pyramid would be welcomed but like our Scottish junior cup there are a good few bottom tier senior far flung fixtures which operate at a financial loss too, and at a level that our clubs would be aspiring to get to so it's not a great all round role model .

Understand that the junior cup to teams like islavale and with all respect to them is a bit like the senior Scottish cup to us - not a hope in hell of winning it - however teams in the top couple of tiers in the east and west must see it as huge and more than just a day out , they need to see themselves as of at least having a chance of winning it or there's no point in entering it , that's well over 40 teams who should believe that they can win it , so called unfancied teams like largs and Renfrew have won it in the past and everyone should want to emulate them rather than seeing it as a wee jolly day out to get wrecked . If junior teams were to enter into west pyramid league and a non league Scottish cup like the fa vase was implemented then it would do for me though.

I know exactly what you're saying mate and I do see the bigger picture I really do but also that one win of the Scottish junior cup in 80 years eclipses anything , it eclipses our two enjoyable Scottish senior involvements with ease and it would eclipse another 80 Scottish senior cup involvements - I totally get you regarding financial aspects of the senior Scottish that's a total no brainer and can earn clubs extremely tidy funds that can be put Into ground improvements etc etc . But ........ The Scottish junior cup is gigantic to myself and other junior fans - I'm not a dinosaur and I like to embrace change but the Scottish junior cup is a trophy we can win and have the best footballing days of our lives in doing so , the senior cup is great too but ultimately youre just working your way to an eventual hiding as the bridge gets too far , that's not being negative and defeatist , that's just being realistic .

I'm liking the idea of a west of Scotland junior league in a pyramid structure but the one huge factor is no Scottish junior cup , it is a massive factor for me , if I had to choose between the Scottish senior and it's potential money and the junior cup that we have won and can win again then I'm thinking of the latter , it's not to be underestimated and would leave a huge hole .

Die off ? A bit like Clydebank then .........

You don't want to be in junior football, you have clear issues with the bigot brothers , what would make you happy ? Away from the bigot brothers in the juniors or back senior in amongst the bigot brothers?

Maybe he would be like a turkey voting for Christmas hence the hush hush if this is true ?

Exactly and it's a no brainer for me , Mon the Dumbarton

You're different though bill as it's only natural that you only have one team as the bankies were senior for ages and the likes of the old firm/ Aberdeen / Dundee united / st mirren etc were your rivals so it would be a conflict of interest for either of them to be your second team , junior fans would see a senior team as their second team without any conflict of interest whatever , hence the big difference in bankies fans only supporting one club .

I think we would be the same in terms of all our fans would still be following our junior team , maybe if their senior teams were east Stirling , brechin , Stranraer , east fife , stenny etc then they would support the senior team as that would be the type of rivalry that their junior team would aspire to realistically , the guys who go to our junior games that support rangers , Celtic , st mirren etc etc would remain junior fans for me as their junior team wouldnt reach that level of senior football and would probably operate at 2nd/3rd division at a push .

Exactly and this wee cosy notion of junior football being unique , nobody being interested in senior football , all community based etc etc is nonsense for me , I hardly know a single junior fan who doesn't have a senior team , yes their junior team might take priority but most if not everyone has a senior leaning , I know of a good few Dundee united , st mirren , rangers, Celtic , Kilmarnock , Ayr united , west ham , Chelsea , man united, man city fans who go to bellsdale every second week , to suggest junior football fans have no connection with senior teams is a total myth , you would struggle to find many who don't have a soft spot for a senior club .

The club's had the chance to vote him out and they bottled it , can't complain as the chance was there for change .

This is a no brainer for me , nobody minds players being booked for mistimed tackles as it's a fine line and often it can be simply because your opponent out skills you , dissent though is infuriating and I would go as far as saying players should pay their own fines through it , a ref will never change his mind , if anything he will go against you in the remainder of the game if you give him it tight

Good post , I think teams like BSC need a good amount of time to create their own history / fan base , junior teams do so with good Scottish cup runs / winning the cup , however BSC can't win a national cup realistically speaking so their goals are obviously to go through the league's , must admit when we played them in the Scottish cup that I was surprised at the lack of support they had , about 40 or so kids and half a dozen adults , whether playing up in alloa is a big factor im unsure although it can't help at all , will be interesting if they went up to the senior league's to see if their support builds up lots , success can help but they will need time and to build their own history and maybe the crowds will follow .

Away you and build your model tanks ...........