Arsenal till I die

Someone with such a lack of conviction is unfit to be on the front bench of any government, regardless of party, politics or beliefs.

True, although the same would have happened to Blair. They were already shedding votes and seats (as they did in 2005).

As someone on this thread has already said, it's called being in opposition you fuckwit. And you're way out on his constituency work. You're right about Islington though. The sooner London leaves the UK the better.

"Is the leadership challenge going in? Oh yes it is!"

The best bit about Wrexham is that the North East is usually Labour/Tory marginal. Few Welsh speakers, scouse accent (not the most Tory accent, I know), Brexit voting, and yet the Tories couldn't even make the top 2. And they can't even blame a goal being wrongly disallowed for offside, despite it being Wrexham...

I know, it's terrible. But Starmer is something else. At least Blair wanted to win and at least Labour portrayed themselves as a left wing party that was making some concessions to get into government. These days they portray themselves as a party who see left wing as an insult. Blair is a shape shifter, the Blair of 97 got some things right however dishonest his long game.

You've gotta hand it to Starmer. Only the 1st leader to make me miss Blair is capable of turning the name of a Pie and Bovril thread into the title of an Owen Jones video. I wonder if the Northern Independence Party is standing in the Durham County Council election.

That's just about the last thing I would do. It's segregation and helps posh kids believe "the other" is "the enemy". Don't get me wrong, there's just as much of it on the other side and I'm no fan of grown ups hating kids for going to private school either.

Can't argue with that. The problem is how factional it all is. My opinion is that there are very good people, and very bad people, on all sides of the party. Some want the party to do well whoever's in charge, and some want to wreck the party from within, and will join whatever faction they feel will best help them achieve that. This is where Corbyn failed - he should have been the one to sort the house out. Labour's Bruce Rioche if you will, the one who would set the party on its way to winning under a subsequent leader. Instead he turned a blind eye and focussed on well, Corbynism. Every leader thinks they're the messiah who the party will get back in under.

Medicare would be Communism type post imho

Good question. As NS regularly points out at FMQ's, they haven't performed as well as the Scottish government, although they've still done better than the UK government (which she has also pointed out at the same time, to be fair). They are also nowhere near as bad as Scottish Labour, and they may even turn in favour of independence. Language is a big issue, a lot of monolingual English speakers there have a kind of language nationalism about them. The English get blamed which flies in the face of the facts - most of the English are in Gwynedd (it's nice) which is solidly pro independence, PC voting and bilingual. I also believe Wales has less powers than Scotland, so less to blame the government for. In my opinion, the SNP and SF need to team up and demand a referendum for Scotland or NI. If the UK government says no to both, they need to throw their weight behind Welsh independence. It's tough, but if the Welsh voters can be shown a UK that is denying referenda left, right and centre, they might be persuaded to vote for one. Then, if they can be convinced "Vote Yes or you won't get another one", then the break up of the Empire should commence. I should add in some personal experience here as well. We had a caravan in Gwynedd and regularly went on holiday there for the 1st 2 decades of my life. I can't be the only English person for this to happen to, but being there, where just about everyone can speak Welsh, must have really affected my politics (that and growing up in multi cultural London). You just really feel, literally standing on the mountain, "this land doesn't belong to England". This is why I feel that the amount of English in Snowdonia and Snowdonia's high support for independence shouldn't be contradictory. We were near Fairborne, which was featured on the BBC site. They done a segment of how it could become the first town in the UK abandoned to rising sea levels. Most of the people in the programme being interviewed have English accents. The nearby Talyllyn (Skarloey) Railway was pretty much revived by Brummies as well. Another bit of personal experience is I used to help out Welsh Labour round Wrexham way. I never heard one bad word against independence (it would have registered, as I was already in favour of indy), no sure I even heard a bad word about Plaid either.

So who's this Murray bloke who got passed up? Can't be the same Murray who keeps defending the Tories surely?

If I was the Labour leader, I was to the left of Blair, to the right of Corbyn, and yet thousands of members who stuck with the party during the Blair years were resigning their memberships, I would be asking myself why. Who is Starmer going to attract to Labour? Lib Dem voters? They want electoral reform, Labour stabbed them in the back with the 97 promise, and he's recently boasted to believing that FPTP always produces the deserved result. Tory voters? There are plenty of Tory voters with school aged kids up and down the country, fearful for their children's lives and outraged at the government for trying to throw their kids in the firing line at the start of the summer when everyone else was protected and everything else was shut. So what did Starmer do? Sack the only person who was sticking up for them. Even from an electability point of view, Starmer is not the person to lead Labour to victory. He is the most divisive Labour leader ever, his behaviour is the exact opposite of the unity under Blair, Labour have only ever stopped the Tories winning elections when they have been united with left wing voters. When their enemy has been Militant, the SNP, Jeremy Corbyn or RLB the Tories have won. With the Red Tory county council in Durham and voters blaming the party as a whole for the council at the last election, I know someone who is planning on voting Tory at the County Council election just to win the seats back at the next General. Starmer and his cult won't realise until it's too late that not everyone who has a problem with him is some sort of Corbynite. Most voters don't care about Israel, they don't care about Palestine, they don't care about RLB, and they don't care what Starmer thinks is and isn't anti Semitic. They care about their kids, most people engaged in politics care about our broken system, and most people in the party care about party unity and not having a leader who will tear the party apart. But he will have his fingers in his ears until it's too late.

Progress stated (at 4am at the latest) that Labour had a net loss of seats in 2015 due to not being right wing enough. For the record, they lost seats to the SNP who were at the time to the left of them, and away from those seats had a net gain.

To be fair to Nick Ferrari (never thought I'd say that) when we have non-Jews like Cummings, Trump, Rees-Mogg etc to choose from, it seems a weird choice for puppet master accusation.