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  1. Problem solved! A friend has found that “Jaap” is actually the John L Japp who also played against Northern Ireland in 1961 before going on to have a season at Third Lanark (1961/62) and Hamilton Academical (1962/63). For those interested we hope to make another, updated version of the database available soon. We are doing some last checks at present. For those who have helped so far there are still gaps that need to be filled! As always, we would also be very interested if anyone spots any errors or has additional information. We have 2,070 players named but are still looking for some line-ups and goalscorers in the 363 matches we have listed.
  2. As a few more matches emerge we have only one missing forename from 1931 and after. Can anyone help with the forename of a former Glenafton Athletic full back with the surname Jaap? He was at Glenafton in 1961. I do not think he played Senior football. There was a Calum Jaap who played in the 1970’s and very early 1980’s. He was a centre half, had a brief spell with Queen’s Park but mostly played in the Juniors (including Kilwinning Rangers, Ardrossan Winton Rangers, Troon & Irvine Victoria). He may be a relation given the uncommon surname. Thank you.
  3. I have just been told of two more Westwaters at Dunipace. In 1912 John Westwater was joined by his brother William in the first team and another brother, Peter, in the A team.
  4. Thanks. It has been very interesting gathering all the details. We have come across some interesting characters and stories along the way! We currently have 361 matches. We are still trying to find forenames for around 100 players but they are all from 1931 and earlier and when the newspapers just used surnames. I think you will have a wait to see the Junior Scotland team play again. The Quadrangular tournament, last held in October 2017, is not an annual event. Going back to “interesting characters and stories” and Dunipace……. We have found another Westwater from Dunipace from 1908 to add to the others mentioned earlier on in the thread. The last two are related but what about the first two? Do we have four generations of the same family? John Westwater (Dunipace) played for SJFA XI against Aberdeenshire JFA in 1908. George Westwater (Dunipace) capped three times in 1924 Willie Westwater (Dunipace) capped in 1952 and went on to play for Kilsyth Rangers and won the Junior Cup with them. Alan Westwater, son of Willie, was capped for Australia in the late 1960’s and played in all three matches against Scotland in the 1967 Scotland World Tour.
  5. For those of you following this thread here is a quick update. We have identified 354 matches that cover internationals, county matches, benefit games and trials played by the SJFA XI. The information on the international matches is largely complete although we are missing some goal scorers from early matches and a few other bits and pieces. The main gaps are in the non-international matches where we know there are many more and of those we know about some line-ups are unknown and other details are sketchy. In all the matches we have it produces a list of 2,033 players and of those we do not have a forename(s) or even a first initial for 102 . We have had great help from posters here in the past and so I thought I would try again with the up-to-date list of these 102 players. As ever, any help will be very much appreciated. I have divided the players into two lists – Present clubs and Defunct clubs. The lists are in alphabetical order of club and the year after each player’s name is the year they played for the SJFA XI. A quick word on the definition of “Present” and “Defunct”. I have taken this quite literally. So Girvan [1] is not today’s Girvan club that dates from 1944. Similarly Benburb [1] is an earlier club with the same name as today’s club. Although Mugiemoss was one of the two clubs that amalgamated to form Dyce FC I have treated it as defunct. Any mistakes in the definitions will be mine so do let me know. PRESENT CLUBS Arniston Rangers [2] - Mable (1923) Ashfield - Bain (1912); Dewar (1905); Dysart (1901) Blantyre Victoria - Hutchison (1904); Robertson (1915) Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic - Easton (1898) Cambuslang Rangers [2] - McIntosh (1921) Darvel - Findlay (1927); Nisbet (1906) Glasgow Perthshire - Bennie (1927); Houston (1899); Keith (1926); Knox (1927); McDonald (1900); McKay (1921) Kilsyth Rangers [2] - Brown (1922) Maryhill - Johnstone (1921) Muirkirk - Grant (1915) Renfrew - Brown (1916 & 1920) Saltcoats Victoria (2) - Struthers (1965) Shettleston - Jamieson (1924) Vale of Clyde - Cunningham (1899); Linnen (1899); Smith (1904); Whyte (1898); Hillis (1925) Yoker Athletic - Kennedy (1927); Prentice (1891) DEFUNCT CLUBS Airdrieonians 'A' - McKinlay (1896) Argyll (Aberdeen) - Cotton (1926) Benburb [1] - Leslie (1890) Blantyre Celtic - Hannigan (1924); Stewart (1920) Burnbank Athletic [1] - Wallace (1897) Burnbank Athletic [2] - Hunter (1927); Thomson (1920) Cadzow Oak - McNair (1901) Cadzow St Anne's - McNulty (1926) Cambuslang Hibernian - McCue (1896) Captain Colt's Rovers - Boag (1896) Coalburn - Kerr (1929) Corporation Cleansing Department - Wilson (1928) Crown Athletic [1] - McCulloch (1893); Young (1895) Dalry Primrose - McDonald (1898) Dalziel Rovers - Irvine (1907); Johnston (1901) Denny Athletic - Buist (1905) Douglas Water Thistle - Henderson (1913) Drongan - Morrison (1920) Dumbarton Albion - Cairney (1898) Dunaskin Lads - Logan (1921) Dundee Arnot - Graham (1908) Dundee Harp - Donald (1922) Dunrobin Athletic - Taylor (1890) Duntocher Hibernian [1] - Grieve (1904); Smith (1899) Earnock Rovers [2] - Miller (1909) Edinburgh Renton [1] - Grant (1897); Winton (1899) Edinburgh Rosebery - Hay (1922); Short (1922) Errol - Scott (1963) Girvan (1) - Murray (1920) Grange Rovers - McIntosh (1931); McNair (1905) Hamilton West End Rangers - Gray (1889 & 1890); Rowan (1889); Sneddon (1890) Harthill Athletic [1] - Halliday (1897) Kelburne - Murray (1896) Lenzie [2] - Grey (1897) Maryhill Myrtle - Shearer (1893) Milngavie - Kyle (1890); Ross (1891) Moore Park - Hosie (1897) Mossend Celtic - McNamee (1893) Mugiemoss - Tough (1911) Muirkirk Ex-Service Athletic - Welsh (1920) Neilston Victoria - Gowans (1906) Nithsdale Wanderers - Hastings (1963) Old Kilpatrick [3] - Stewart (1922) Parkhead - Murray (1898); Nicol (1897) Possilpark - McFarlane (1889) Renfrew Victoria - Campbell (1904); Wylie (1895) Shotts United - Timmins (1917) St Johnstone YMCA - Paterson (1926) St Ninian's Thistle - Clark (1908) Stevenston Thistle - McMaster (1917) Stirling Emmet [2] - Walls (1923) Strathclyde [2] - Brown (1903); Crum (1898); Harley (1900); Leslie (1900); Martin (1913); McMurray (1927); Montgomery (1897) Thornliebank Juniors - Steveley (1898) Woodburn - Gibson (1889)
  6. Thank you for all the help so far from various quarters on providing a forename(s)/ initial(s) for these players. Here is where we stand now with the additions shown in bold and underlined. Ardrossan Winton Rovers – Lindsay (1922). Arniston Rangers – Mable (1923). Ashfield - Bain (1912); D (possibly David) Barrowman (1900); Neil "Neilly" Campbell (1917); Dewar (1905); Dysart (1901). I have seen the Ashfield centenary book written by Charlie McCulloch and published in 1986. It has an excellent summary of results, league tables, etc. but not so much on players. I understand another book was published in around 2007. Can anyone help please? Banks o' Dee - W Webster (1926). Bellshill Athletic - Robert Lilly (1905). Benburb - Leslie (1890); J McDonald (1894). Blantyre Victoria - Beadle William AC Beedie (1920); Hutchison (1904); J Paterson (1894); Robertson (1915). Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic - Easton (1898). Cambuslang Rangers – David Chalmers (1918-19); McIntosh (1921). Clydebank Juniors - James Laing (1922). Darvel – William Allan (1927); Findlay (1927); Nisbet (1906). Girvan - Murray (1920). Glasgow Perthshire – Bennie (1927); Houston (1899); Keith (1926); Knox (1927); McDonald (1900); McKay (1921). Larkhall Thistle - "Wee Dykie" Creechan (1924). He played for New Stevenston United (1921/22), Dykehead (1922/23), Larkhall Thistle (1923/24), St Roch's (1924/25), Parkhead (1925/27) and Quarter United (1930/31). Maryhill - Johnstone (1921). Muirkirk - Grant (1915). Penicuik - Charles Hornal (1922). Pollok - Stenton (1922). Renfrew - Brown (1916-20); Harry Croall (1914). Shettleston – Jamieson (1924). Tranent - Bobby Gray (1912); William "Willie" Pow (1922). Vale of Clyde - Cunningham (1899); William Laviety (1904); Linnen 1899; D Livingston(e) (1894); Charles Ritchie (1900); Smith (1904); Whyte (1898), Yoker Athletic – Hillis (1925); Kennedy (1927); Prentice (1891).
  7. Many thanks Garrellburn. I have sent you a PM.
  8. We need some more help please. This time we are looking for a forename(s) or even just a first initial for the following players. By arranging them in club order and with a year(s) that they played I hope it may help people remember where an old club handbook may be kept or an old team photograph may be hanging that might give a forename/initial to at least some of these players. Thank you. Ardrossan Winton Rovers Lindsay 1922 Arniston Rangers Mable 1923 Ashfield Bain 1912; Barrowman 1900; Campbell 1917; Dewar 1905; Dysart 1901 Banks o' Dee Webster 1926 Bellshill Athletic Lilly 1905 Benburb Leslie 1890; McDonald 1894 Blantyre Victoria Beadle 1920; Hutchison 1904; Paterson 1894; Robertson 1915 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic Easton 1898 Cambuslang Rangers Chalmers 1918-19; McIntosh 1921 Clydebank Juniors Lang 1922 Darvel Allan 1927; Findlay 1927; Nisbet 1906 Girvan Murray 1920 Glasgow Perthshire Bennie 1927; Houston 1899; Keith 1926; Knox 1927; McDonald 1900; McKay 1921 Larkhall Thistle Creechan 1924 Maryhill Johnstone 1921 Muirkirk Grant 1915 Penicuik Hornal 1922 Pollok Stenton 1922 Renfrew Brown 1916-20; Croall 1914 Shettleston Jamieson 1924 Tranent Gray 1912; Pow 1922 Vale of Clyde Cunningham 1899; Lavity 1904; Linnen 1899; Livingstone 1894; Ritchie 1900; Smith 1904; Whyte 1898 Yoker Athletic Hillis 1925; Kennedy 1927; Prentice 1891
  9. Dreghorn Juniors

    From identifying one of the players I think it is either 1950/51 or between 1954 and 1958.
  10. Dreghorn Juniors

    A few more bits and pieces. Year of formation The club’s formation date is given as 1892 that may be the first year as a Junior club in the Western League however there was club under that name in around 1888. Ground The club’s first ground is given as Rose Meadow Park. McGhee connections Hugh McLean McGhee (DoB 30 September 1935) signed for Raith Rovers on 29 October 1955 but does not appeared to have played for the first team. Players who represented Scotland John Armour won a Junior cap in 1915 while at Dreghorn and is the only player to be capped while playing for the club. James Ferguson later played for Queen’s Park and Third Lanark and was capped at Amateur level for Scotland against West Germany in 1957. Tom McKillop played for Scotland as a Rangers player in 1937 Alec Lambie 1916 – 1935 Ayr United, Kilmarnock, Partick Thistle, Chester, Swindon Town, Newport County, Lovells Athletic, Distillery, Belfast Celtic. He played for Glasgow, Scotland XI and Scottish League. George Bertram represented the Scottish League in 1931 as an Airdrie player. Other players that went into Senior football James Blair went on to play for Dunfermline Thomas Brown 1958 – 1967 Kilmarnock, Queen of the South James Gilmour played for Queen of the South John Hammill played for Partick Thistle Tommy Irvine 1920 – 1924 Luton Town, Bedford Town, Ayr United Jim Kerr went to Queen’s Park in 1976. Charles McGillivray 1929 - 1947 Ayr Utd, Celtic, Manchester United, Motherwell, Dundee, Dundee United, Stirling Albion, Arbroath Tommy McKay 1927 – 1940 Nottingham Forest, Queen of the South, Southport, Wigan Athletic Andrew McMurtrie 1925 - 1934 Motherwell, Bristol City, Cork FC, King's Park, Rotherham United George Wilson 1931 – 1936 Ayr Utd, York City Kilmarnock connections Several Kilmarnock players including Jackie McGrory Eric Murray and Brian Rodman have Dreghorn on their cv but it may have been they were farmed out to the club. Coaching/management Andrew Jamieson had a short career in Senior football in the late 1950s before reverting to Junior football. He started as a player Dreghorn and was later their manager. Rab Stewart was a Kilmarnock player who later coached Dreghorn and was also the first manager of the Scotland’s Women’s team.
  11. I am now following a lead for "Hastings (Nithsdale Wanderers)" and I hope that someone might be able to help. Sam Hastings joined Hamilton Accies from Nithsdale Wanderers on 11 May 1957 at 17 years of age. He played seven seasons for Accies (139 league matches & 74 goals). He signed for Clyde from Hamilton Accies on 10 August 1964 and played for eight seasons (217 league appearances & 42 goals). He left Clyde at the end of the 1971/72 season and had short spells at Alloa and Queen of the South in the 1972/73 season before hanging up his boots. So far as I can see Sam Hastings played Senior football continuously and seems to have been a first team regular at Hamilton Accies and there is no sign of a break where he could have been re-instated as Junior. The player I am looking for would have been on an amateur form. He must be a brother or a relative of Sam. It looks too much to be a coincidence otherwise. I have been given the name of John (Ian) Hastings who played for Whitletts Victoria (1964-70) and later for Auchinleck Talbot as a possibility. Apart from the name there are two other clues. 1) Nithsdale Wanderers went defunct in 1964 and so could tie in with signing for Whitletts Vics in the same year. 2) With Nithsdale Wanderers playing in Sanquhar a move to a South Ayrshire club looks more likely. It may of course be a red herring but if anyone can either provide a link or discount it then it would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
  12. Laurie Swan sustained a knee injury playing for Newburgh against Cambuslang Rangers in the 0:4 defeat at Brockville in the Junior Cup semi-final on the Monday before this match. However, he still travelled to Birmingham with the Junior Scotland squad in the hope that he would recover. The team travelled to Birmingham on the Friday, trained on the Saturday and played the match at 11:00 am on the Sunday! The Birmingham FA ("England") team contained five players from Alvechurch FC. This was a very strong amateur team at the time and have a place in the record books as they played Oxford City six times in 17 days in the longest-ever FA Cup tie in 1971.
  13. A great photograph! Thanks for posting it. This photograph was taken at Manor Park, Nuneaton on 8 April 1973. The old ground, now long gone, was one of the biggest non-league grounds in England. It is also the first game when a manager was appointed to the team. The score was: England 1(1) Scotland 5 (2) The goalscorers were: England scorer: Holmes - Scotland scorers: Bell, Pettigrew 2, Steele 2 (1 penalty) Laurie Swan was originally selected in the starting XI but failed a fitness test immediately before the game and substitute Gibby Kerr took his place leaving just a goalkeeper on the bench. I am not sure if Laurie was fit enough to sit on the bench as a substitute to be used in a real emergency or whether he stripped just for the photograph and then took no further part in proceedings. Here are the names of the fifteen people in the photograph. Can anyone else add more names to faces? Starting XI: John Young (Carluke Rovers) Jim Scott (Cumbernauld United) Sandy Calder (Mugiemoss) John Crooks (Cumnock) Jackie Mordue (Cambuslang Rangers) Gibby Kerr (Lanark United) John Cummings (Cambuslang Rangers) Brian Bell (Kello Rovers) Willie Pettigrew (East Kilbride Thistle) – sitting middle of front row with the ball at his feet Billy Steele (Benburb) – sitting second from the right Willie McCallum (Cambuslang Rangers) Substitutes: Davie Nicholls (Dundee Osborne) – goalkeeper Laurie Swan (Newburgh) – standing far left Manager: Davie McLaggan (Cambuslang Rangers) – standing back row extreme right Trainer/Physio: Dunky Black (Irvine Meadow XI) - crouching front row extreme left
  14. Thanks Jambo’ness. Found him! We have one player despite three different spellings of his surname and two of his first name! Dugald Clark Matheson Born 22 June 1924 in Glasgow Played juvenile for Yoker Fernlea and Cunard Thistle before joining Yoker Athletic and getting capped for Junior Scotland. He moved to Fauldhouse United in April 1947 and was capped again. He was then signed by Heart of Midlothian from Fauldhouse United on 28 June 1947. He was released by Hearts on 30 April 1951 and went to Inverness Thistle in September 1951. He signed for Dunfermline Athletic on 16 August 1952 and was released 25 September 1952. and soon after signed for Stirling Albion on 27 September 1952 before being released on 21 October 1952. The only remaining issue is to check when he joined Fauldhouse as I have him as a Fauldhouse player in August 1946. A minor issue. Thanks again for all your help.
  15. We are now following another lead to identify our mystery player from the Scotland v Ireland match at Tynecastle on 27 April 1946. Can anyone help please? Is our player Dugald Mathieson? He played for three Scottish League clubs but I do not think played any first team League/Cup games. 1950/51 Heart of Midlothian - released on 30 April 1951 1951/52 Inverness Thistle 1952/53 Dunfermline Athletic signed 16 August 1962 released 25 September 1952 1952/53 Stirling Albion signed 27 September 1952 released 21 October 1952 Can anyone connect him to our Junior Internationalists or connect the two right backs from the 1945/46 and 1946/47 seasons? 1945/46 season The newspapers report “Mathieson (Yoker Athletic)” played at right back in the last Junior International of that season. However, the registration books for that season show “D Mattison” as the only player on Yoker Athletic’s books with a similar looking/sounding name. 1946/47 season Dugald Mathieson (Fauldhouse Athletic) was a right back who played in three of the four Junior Scotland matches in the season. A few other points: 1) All three players are right backs. 2) If the Fauldhouse player joined Hearts it seems a long time to wait to be called up? 3) I cannot find a Mathieson at Fauldhouse in reports of their Junior Cup winning season of 1945/46. So the Yoker player may have joined them in 1946/47? 4) Is the Yoker player Mathieson or Mattison? Thank you.
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