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  1. Thank you for all the help so far from various quarters on providing a forename(s)/ initial(s) for these players. Here is where we stand now with the additions shown in bold and underlined. Ardrossan Winton Rovers – Lindsay (1922). Arniston Rangers – Mable (1923). Ashfield - Bain (1912); Barrowman (1900); Campbell (1917); Dewar (1905); Dysart (1901). I have seen the Ashfield centenary book written by Charlie McCulloch and published in 1986. It has an excellent summary of results, league tables, etc. but not so much on players. I understand another book was published in around 2007. Can anyone help please? Banks o' Dee - W Webster (1926). Bellshill Athletic - Robert Lilly (1905). Benburb - Leslie (1890); J McDonald (1894). Blantyre Victoria - Beadle William AC Beedie (1920); Hutchison (1904); J Paterson (1894); Robertson (1915). Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic - Easton (1898). Cambuslang Rangers – Chalmers (1918-19); McIntosh (1921). Clydebank Juniors - James Laing (1922). Darvel – William Allan (1927); Findlay (1927); Nisbet (1906). Girvan - Murray (1920). Glasgow Perthshire – Bennie (1927); Houston (1899); Keith (1926); Knox (1927); McDonald (1900); McKay (1921). Larkhall Thistle - Creechan (1924). Maryhill - Johnstone (1921). Muirkirk - Grant (1915). Penicuik - Charles Hornal (1922). Pollok - Stenton (1922). Renfrew - Brown (1916-20); Croall (1914). Shettleston – Jamieson (1924). Tranent - Bobby Gray (1912); Pow (1922). Vale of Clyde - Cunningham (1899); Lavity (1904); Linnen 1899; D Livingston(e) (1894); Charles Ritchie (1900); Smith (1904); Whyte (1898), Yoker Athletic – Hillis (1925); Kennedy (1927); Prentice (1891).
  2. Many thanks Garrellburn. I have sent you a PM.
  3. We need some more help please. This time we are looking for a forename(s) or even just a first initial for the following players. By arranging them in club order and with a year(s) that they played I hope it may help people remember where an old club handbook may be kept or an old team photograph may be hanging that might give a forename/initial to at least some of these players. Thank you. Ardrossan Winton Rovers Lindsay 1922 Arniston Rangers Mable 1923 Ashfield Bain 1912; Barrowman 1900; Campbell 1917; Dewar 1905; Dysart 1901 Banks o' Dee Webster 1926 Bellshill Athletic Lilly 1905 Benburb Leslie 1890; McDonald 1894 Blantyre Victoria Beadle 1920; Hutchison 1904; Paterson 1894; Robertson 1915 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic Easton 1898 Cambuslang Rangers Chalmers 1918-19; McIntosh 1921 Clydebank Juniors Lang 1922 Darvel Allan 1927; Findlay 1927; Nisbet 1906 Girvan Murray 1920 Glasgow Perthshire Bennie 1927; Houston 1899; Keith 1926; Knox 1927; McDonald 1900; McKay 1921 Larkhall Thistle Creechan 1924 Maryhill Johnstone 1921 Muirkirk Grant 1915 Penicuik Hornal 1922 Pollok Stenton 1922 Renfrew Brown 1916-20; Croall 1914 Shettleston Jamieson 1924 Tranent Gray 1912; Pow 1922 Vale of Clyde Cunningham 1899; Lavity 1904; Linnen 1899; Livingstone 1894; Ritchie 1900; Smith 1904; Whyte 1898 Yoker Athletic Hillis 1925; Kennedy 1927; Prentice 1891
  4. Dreghorn Juniors

    From identifying one of the players I think it is either 1950/51 or between 1954 and 1958.
  5. Dreghorn Juniors

    A few more bits and pieces. Year of formation The club’s formation date is given as 1892 that may be the first year as a Junior club in the Western League however there was club under that name in around 1888. Ground The club’s first ground is given as Rose Meadow Park. McGhee connections Hugh McLean McGhee (DoB 30 September 1935) signed for Raith Rovers on 29 October 1955 but does not appeared to have played for the first team. Players who represented Scotland John Armour won a Junior cap in 1915 while at Dreghorn and is the only player to be capped while playing for the club. James Ferguson later played for Queen’s Park and Third Lanark and was capped at Amateur level for Scotland against West Germany in 1957. Tom McKillop played for Scotland as a Rangers player in 1937 Alec Lambie 1916 – 1935 Ayr United, Kilmarnock, Partick Thistle, Chester, Swindon Town, Newport County, Lovells Athletic, Distillery, Belfast Celtic. He played for Glasgow, Scotland XI and Scottish League. George Bertram represented the Scottish League in 1931 as an Airdrie player. Other players that went into Senior football James Blair went on to play for Dunfermline Thomas Brown 1958 – 1967 Kilmarnock, Queen of the South James Gilmour played for Queen of the South John Hammill played for Partick Thistle Tommy Irvine 1920 – 1924 Luton Town, Bedford Town, Ayr United Jim Kerr went to Queen’s Park in 1976. Charles McGillivray 1929 - 1947 Ayr Utd, Celtic, Manchester United, Motherwell, Dundee, Dundee United, Stirling Albion, Arbroath Tommy McKay 1927 – 1940 Nottingham Forest, Queen of the South, Southport, Wigan Athletic Andrew McMurtrie 1925 - 1934 Motherwell, Bristol City, Cork FC, King's Park, Rotherham United George Wilson 1931 – 1936 Ayr Utd, York City Kilmarnock connections Several Kilmarnock players including Jackie McGrory Eric Murray and Brian Rodman have Dreghorn on their cv but it may have been they were farmed out to the club. Coaching/management Andrew Jamieson had a short career in Senior football in the late 1950s before reverting to Junior football. He started as a player Dreghorn and was later their manager. Rab Stewart was a Kilmarnock player who later coached Dreghorn and was also the first manager of the Scotland’s Women’s team.
  6. I am now following a lead for "Hastings (Nithsdale Wanderers)" and I hope that someone might be able to help. Sam Hastings joined Hamilton Accies from Nithsdale Wanderers on 11 May 1957 at 17 years of age. He played seven seasons for Accies (139 league matches & 74 goals). He signed for Clyde from Hamilton Accies on 10 August 1964 and played for eight seasons (217 league appearances & 42 goals). He left Clyde at the end of the 1971/72 season and had short spells at Alloa and Queen of the South in the 1972/73 season before hanging up his boots. So far as I can see Sam Hastings played Senior football continuously and seems to have been a first team regular at Hamilton Accies and there is no sign of a break where he could have been re-instated as Junior. The player I am looking for would have been on an amateur form. He must be a brother or a relative of Sam. It looks too much to be a coincidence otherwise. I have been given the name of John (Ian) Hastings who played for Whitletts Victoria (1964-70) and later for Auchinleck Talbot as a possibility. Apart from the name there are two other clues. 1) Nithsdale Wanderers went defunct in 1964 and so could tie in with signing for Whitletts Vics in the same year. 2) With Nithsdale Wanderers playing in Sanquhar a move to a South Ayrshire club looks more likely. It may of course be a red herring but if anyone can either provide a link or discount it then it would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
  7. Laurie Swan sustained a knee injury playing for Newburgh against Cambuslang Rangers in the 0:4 defeat at Brockville in the Junior Cup semi-final on the Monday before this match. However, he still travelled to Birmingham with the Junior Scotland squad in the hope that he would recover. The team travelled to Birmingham on the Friday, trained on the Saturday and played the match at 11:00 am on the Sunday! The Birmingham FA ("England") team contained five players from Alvechurch FC. This was a very strong amateur team at the time and have a place in the record books as they played Oxford City six times in 17 days in the longest-ever FA Cup tie in 1971.
  8. A great photograph! Thanks for posting it. This photograph was taken at Manor Park, Nuneaton on 8 April 1973. The old ground, now long gone, was one of the biggest non-league grounds in England. It is also the first game when a manager was appointed to the team. The score was: England 1(1) Scotland 5 (2) The goalscorers were: England scorer: Holmes - Scotland scorers: Bell, Pettigrew 2, Steele 2 (1 penalty) Laurie Swan was originally selected in the starting XI but failed a fitness test immediately before the game and substitute Gibby Kerr took his place leaving just a goalkeeper on the bench. I am not sure if Laurie was fit enough to sit on the bench as a substitute to be used in a real emergency or whether he stripped just for the photograph and then took no further part in proceedings. Here are the names of the fifteen people in the photograph. Can anyone else add more names to faces? Starting XI: John Young (Carluke Rovers) Jim Scott (Cumbernauld United) Sandy Calder (Mugiemoss) John Crooks (Cumnock) Jackie Mordue (Cambuslang Rangers) Gibby Kerr (Lanark United) John Cummings (Cambuslang Rangers) Brian Bell (Kello Rovers) Willie Pettigrew (East Kilbride Thistle) – sitting middle of front row with the ball at his feet Billy Steele (Benburb) – sitting second from the right Willie McCallum (Cambuslang Rangers) Substitutes: Davie Nicholls (Dundee Osborne) – goalkeeper Laurie Swan (Newburgh) – standing far left Manager: Davie McLaggan (Cambuslang Rangers) – standing back row extreme right Trainer/Physio: Dunky Black (Irvine Meadow XI) - crouching front row extreme left
  9. Thanks Jambo’ness. Found him! We have one player despite three different spellings of his surname and two of his first name! Dugald Clark Matheson Born 22 June 1924 in Glasgow Played juvenile for Yoker Fernlea and Cunard Thistle before joining Yoker Athletic and getting capped for Junior Scotland. He moved to Fauldhouse United in April 1947 and was capped again. He was then signed by Heart of Midlothian from Fauldhouse United on 28 June 1947. He was released by Hearts on 30 April 1951 and went to Inverness Thistle in September 1951. He signed for Dunfermline Athletic on 16 August 1952 and was released 25 September 1952. and soon after signed for Stirling Albion on 27 September 1952 before being released on 21 October 1952. The only remaining issue is to check when he joined Fauldhouse as I have him as a Fauldhouse player in August 1946. A minor issue. Thanks again for all your help.
  10. We are now following another lead to identify our mystery player from the Scotland v Ireland match at Tynecastle on 27 April 1946. Can anyone help please? Is our player Dugald Mathieson? He played for three Scottish League clubs but I do not think played any first team League/Cup games. 1950/51 Heart of Midlothian - released on 30 April 1951 1951/52 Inverness Thistle 1952/53 Dunfermline Athletic signed 16 August 1962 released 25 September 1952 1952/53 Stirling Albion signed 27 September 1952 released 21 October 1952 Can anyone connect him to our Junior Internationalists or connect the two right backs from the 1945/46 and 1946/47 seasons? 1945/46 season The newspapers report “Mathieson (Yoker Athletic)” played at right back in the last Junior International of that season. However, the registration books for that season show “D Mattison” as the only player on Yoker Athletic’s books with a similar looking/sounding name. 1946/47 season Dugald Mathieson (Fauldhouse Athletic) was a right back who played in three of the four Junior Scotland matches in the season. A few other points: 1) All three players are right backs. 2) If the Fauldhouse player joined Hearts it seems a long time to wait to be called up? 3) I cannot find a Mathieson at Fauldhouse in reports of their Junior Cup winning season of 1945/46. So the Yoker player may have joined them in 1946/47? 4) Is the Yoker player Mathieson or Mattison? Thank you.
  11. I have now double-checked the original source and found a spelling error - it should read 27 April 1946 Scotland v Ireland (Tynecastle, Edinburgh) D Mathieson (Yoker Athletic) – forename required.
  12. I need some more help please. So far we have only identified 12 matches where a SJFA XI has played a match to celebrate an anniversary. We instinctively feel that there must have been more games of this type. Can anyone add to the list below? Here are the 12 matches and below some of them are a few questions we are trying to answer. 22 March 1952 v Banks o' Dee - Golden Jubilee of Banks o' Dee FC Required: SJFA goalscorers and half-time score. 18 May 1968 v Bo'ness United - Tercentenary of the town of Bo'ness 17 June 1970 v Lanark United - Golden Jubilee of Lanark United FC Required: Half-time score 1 May 1971 v Secondary Juvenile XI - Golden Jubilee of the Scottish Secondary Juvenile FA 20 October 1974 v Central League XI - Centenary of Vale of Clyde FC 14 March 1982 v SJFA East Region - Anniversary match Required: Half-time score. Confirmation of the anniversary. The only possibility I can think of is 60 years since the smaller JFAs operating in the East came under the East of Scotland JFA or am I missing something obvious? 3 August 1985 v East of Scotland Junior Football Association - Anniversary match Required: SJFA line-up and goalscorers. Confirmation of the anniversary. Was it the centenary of the first attempt to form an East of Scotland JFA or simply the centenary of Junior football in Edinburgh or something else? 3 June 1989 v Central League Select - Centenary of Ayrshire JFA 4 Jun 1989 v North Ayrshire Select - Centenary of Ayrshire JFA 28 May 1994 v North Wales Coast FA - Centenary of North Wales Coast FA 22 Oct 1995 v Camelon - 75th anniversary of Camelon FC Required: Final & half-time scores and the SJFA team that took the field (we only have the squad selected) & goalscorers. 6 April 1997 v Irvine Meadow XI - Centenary of Irvine Meadow XI FC As always any answers, additions, amendments, corrections, etc. will be most gratefully received. .
  13. Of the players we know who have played for the SJFA XI since the Second World War in all types of matches (internationals, benefits, trials, representative) we are only missing the forename of four players. I realise that this question will be another that falls into the "obscure" bracket but if anyone can help in any way it would be very much appreciated. Thank you. 4 February 1963 SJFA Amateur XI v SFA Amateur XI (Annfield, Stirling) Hastings (Nithsdale Wanderers) – forename or even just an initial required. Scott (Errol) - We know Errol had a D and a G Scott on their books that season but which one played and what was their forename? 27 April 1946 Scotland v Ireland (Tynecastle, Edinburgh) D Mattison (Yoker Athletic) – forename or even an initial required. 9 February 1963 SJFA XI v Glasgow JFA XI (match postponed) Smith (Troon) - forename or even just an initial required.
  14. Thanks Jambo'ness. That confirms it we have one Turnbull who played at Banks o' Dee. Michael Charles Turnbull played six times 1980 v Highland League, & England, 1981 Wales & England, 1987 Republic of Ireland and 1988 Wales.
  15. Thank you HPH. This together with the information from Jambo’ness confirms to me we only have one Turnbull capped for Junior Scotland. Thanks to you both for taking time to find the information. It is much appreciated. The only thing nagging away at the back of mind is how Michael Turnbull signed for Montrose on 10 March 1981 and then played both Senior (24 March, 1 April & 8 April), and Junior football (25 April and 2 May) in the remainder of the season. I know very little about the signing rules but I know in the past he could have been a provisional signing for Montrose and allowed to remain at his Junior club and play matches for Montrose as an anonymous triallist. Michael is clearly named in the Montrose matches found by Jambo’ness. I may be looking for a problem that doesn’t exist but if anyone can educate me I would appreciate it.
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