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  1. Stay Classy Sinn Fein

    I'd treat anything people claim to have researched further back than around 1800 in Scotland with a healthy degree of skepticism, because comprehensive birth, death, marriage and census records that are easy to follow and cross-reference only really got going in the 1850s and the old CoS parish records prior to that are not complete and often don't provide much information beyond names and a date on hatches, matches and dispatches. A lot of the old Irish civil records were destroyed in a fire in the 1920s during the civil war, so getting back much past 1850 or so reliably there is even more difficult.
  2. The East Stirlingshire Thread

    EK still have to play Cumbernauld Colts and BSC Glasgow, and Spartans still have to play the Shire twice and appear to be relying on a lot of last minute winners at the moment, so think all three teams realistically could drop the necessary points. If EK beat Cumbernauld Colts away from home on Saturday, they will have to bottle it in a big way to not finish above the Shire, so think it will be a lot clearer a week from now whether it's really time to throw in the towel.
  3. Stay Classy Sinn Fein

    No idea where the better person angle could possibly enter into it. Finding out whether half-forgotten stories I'd heard as a sprog were actually true was a big part of it for me and I quickly got hooked and found myself wanting to find out even more once I started finding out things I had previously been clueless about. The stories I heard stretched back to around the early 1800s given the oldest ones tended to be based on what my grandparents had remembered being told by their grandparents and for the most part what I had been told was on the money, but there were a couple of surprises on the way and the following highlights... ...why family genealogy is not something to wander into, if you are not emotionally prepared to find out that at least some of what you were told by peope you were close to was a load of lies used by one generation to cover up a secret they didn't want the next generation to know about.
  4. The East Stirlingshire Thread

    Leaves East Kilbride needing 10 from 15, BSC 17 from 21 and Spartans 19 from 27 to definitely have more points. Not a fatal blow but anything less than 100% points from here on probably wouldn't do it now and even 68 would be no sure thing.
  5. Stay Classy Sinn Fein

    Haven't been following this too closely but would have thought the red lines for Unionism would be no Gaelic on road signs, no need to be able to speak it for civil service jobs, and no need to have to learn it at school. The DUP probably want to link it to Ulster Scots in a joint bill as a way of making sure none of those things ever happen, while SF want to uncouple it from Ulster Scots to push a bit further and drive in the thin end of the wedge that they can incrementally build up over time.
  6. Stay Classy Sinn Fein

    In the central Lowlands you can often go back to the 1600s in genealogical terms. In the more remote parts of Shetland the records don't get going until the late 18th century and start off with a mix of Norse patronymics and east coast burgh type Scots surnames. Once the patronymics start being used geneaolgy is a nightmare, if they feature in your family tree. I had to rely on stories that were handed down about who lived where to be able to work it all out. Even some of the non-Norse patronymic Shetland surnames can have two versions. One Scottisiced version used on official records and another more traditional one used when Shetlanders speak amongst themselves that you can sometimes find in the earliest of the CoS records. My great-grandmother's surname looks Scottish in the official records but I have never heard the Shetland version being used on the Scottish mainland. It took me years to work out that my Shetland relatives would sometimes be using two quite different sounding names to refer to the same family, because it can be a lot more than a Broon vs Brown sort of thing.
  7. Stay Classy Sinn Fein

    Yes; and in my opinion they are also hoping for a hard border as a result of Brexit... of course they won't say that. Don't think they are that mental. The status of Gaelic moving forward is pivotal enough as an issue that they are probably trying to get the best deal they possibly can. Time will tell.
  8. Stay Classy Sinn Fein

    It is generally believed to have died out on Foula in Shetland about the 1780s and had been undergoing replacement by Scots (which in turn is now being replaced by Scottish Standard English especially in Lerwick) since the late 1460s albeit with a strange pronunciation compared to the Scottish mainland. Even after Norn had died out elsewhere the patronymic -son and -daugher Norse surname system was still very much on the go amongst descendants of the Norse until around 1800 or so when the Church of Scotland started insisting that the surname used by the father of a family was also used by his children and then passed down the subsequent generations like a Scottish surname. For centuries after the Scottish takeover of Shetland there were distinct Scottish and Norse populations living in Shetland basically, but over time they eventually merged into modern Shetlanders with a largely Scottish culture but a strong emotional idea of still being Norse in some way rather than Scottish.
  9. Junior football, what is the future?

    To be fair to the SJFA it sounds like option B is being pushed as a matter for discussion only if enough junior superleague clubs are interested and are able to do licensing in time: which seems unlikely.
  10. Junior football, what is the future?

    Source on that last bit? If Fort William fold at the end of the season as has been rumoured or Cove Rangers get promoted they may have a vacancy in not too distant future. There's not much point applying to a closed shop unless they are actively looking for a new member, so that would be the time to judge what's happening on that score. If, and it's a big if, this proposal A thing happens, it would probably only be a matter of time until the North Region feeds into the HL once the concept of pro/rel between grades becomes accepted. Now that the LL:HL boundary is the North Esk rather than the Tay the only outlier involved is Montrose Roselea and that's only by a few miles, so easy enough to make an exception in their case.
  11. Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

    Think she's doing what she has to in the short term to avoid a leadership challenge and that further down the line sanity will prevail and what will amount to a CU will be agreed to. We have already seen her cave into pressure once on that.
  12. Junior football, what is the future?

    Also would allow clubs not to get licensed and avoid compulsory promotion and do a Lothian Thistle and block it for the clubs that want it, so suspect there would still be defections to the EoS and a niche for a WoS, if changes weren't made on who is eligible for the promotion playoff into the LL. Can you explain what's ridiculous about the west superleague being on par with the LL given it would address the geographical imbalance that exists at tier 5 at present? If enough west superleague clubs were positive about the progression angle to the pyramid and can get licensed by 2019-20 that merits discussion. Suspect there wouldn't be so it's probably empty posturing to preempt possible future criticism rather than something they seriously expect to happen.
  13. Irn Bru

    Had to google it as well: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12193821.Soft_drinks_battle_is_brewing/
  14. Orange Order "Charm Offensive"

    ...but it wasn't because the Enlightenment hadn't happened yet, which means that there is still a state religion and pre-democratic monarchy cult at the core of it all rather than a separation of Church and State and as much as people like to pretend that the UK is a modern secular state in reality it isn't because its formation predated the emergence from the despotism of absolute monarchy of the 19th century nation state that tended to emerge elsewhere at a signifcantly later date based on the ideals of the French and American revolutions. Flowing from that Irish Roman Catholic society and its west of Scotland branch plant didn't follow the conventional historical development experienced elsewhere in RC countries in western Europe of an anti-clerical liberal and then a socialist strand within the new secular nation state challenging and breaking the dominance of the church hierarchy so Cardinal Winning was still viewed as speaking on behalf of an entire community in relatively recent times, and Scotland retained separate national institutions in 1707 to accomodate its Presbyterianism and didn't become the equivalent of a German lander or Italian province leading to the emergence of a strong independence movement after 300 years of Union despite not having a significant language issue to fuel it, so there is a lot more going on than just what the Orange Order gets up to that is decidedly odd when viewed from outside.
  15. Orange Order "Charm Offensive"

    The UK's constitution is confused and very much fossilized from the 17th century, so the Orange Order are a sympton of something much deeper. As long as the head of state is supreme governor of the CoE the UK won't be a modern secular state no matter how much the chattering classes like to pretend that it is. England's ongoing fixation with the monarchy and the traditional kingdoms of Scotland and Ireland not being predominantly Anglican made the emergence of a modern unitary and secular British nation at ease with EU entry in a similar way to France impossible resulting in the bizarre mess we see around us in identity crisis terms in the modern day. There are no easy answers and it won't get resolved any time soon. Tom Nairn's The Enchanted Glass is a bit dated but worth a read as it's one of the best analyses available on the subject.
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