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  1. Well, resolves my "who is actually youngest manager" query...
  2. In terms of the draw more generally my impressions are: - not favourable for the "B" teams if their opponents play strong XIs. Hamilton "B" beating Cove at home would look the most likely - I'd expect 4 or 5 of the 6 non-Scottish teams to progress, with Falkirk to beat Sligo and Dumbarton v CQN and TNS v Livingston perhaps close - Raith and Stranraer the only SPFL1/SPFL2 clubs to reach R3 (as well as the winners of Ayr-Montrose and Petehead-Annan obviously)
  3. PremierSports didn't bother using their R1 entitlement, btw . I'd speculate they'll take Sligo v Falkirk... S4C will take TNS v Livingston... and BBC Alba either Dundee Utd v Alloa or Aberdeen "B" v Inverness. No ££ for being on TV, IIRC.
  4. St Mirren v Hearts "B" pits St Mirren's first-team, whose U20s play in the national U20s league, against Hearts "B"/U20s who also play in that league .
  5. I'm sure Northern Irish football will be agog at the prospect of Crusaders v Motherwell "B" and Albion Rovers/Spartans v Linfield.
  6. Thanks, again very interesting. Jim Cruickshank got quite a set - Schoolboy, Amateur, U23, Scottish League and Scotland - while Ronnie Simpson capped Amateur, GB Amateur, Scottish League, "B", Scotland!
  7. Ah, I hadn't appreciated that meaning, fair enough... 113 H + 276 A = 389.
  8. Cheers. This is all very interesting (to me anyway !)... You've established that 6 players gained both Junior and Amateur caps. Do you have figures or names for players capped at Senior and Junior, or Senior and Amateur?
  9. On the other hand it wouldn't surprise me if the "spin" is that last season only 1 "B" team made the Last 32 whereas this season 6 have... Over-aged players, getting rid of all seeding, reorganising R1 & R2 are probably the main reasons - perhaps also actual clubs taking it even less seriously - but it looks like a huge upsurge. Must be a good chance that 1 or more will progress further, perhaps drawing each other.
  10. Posters will recall that one of the "Pros" in the SPFL blueprint was the enhanced crowds that "B" teams might produce. Here are the attendances of this week's Irn Bru Cup - which while on one hand isn't as attractive as league games, equally wasn't being played at the same time as Premiership games, and perhaps represent a certain novelty which week-to-week games wouldn't: 389 - Dumbarton v Rangers "B" 278 - Annan v Celtic "B" 200 - Formartine v Hearts "B" 387 - Hibs "B" v Elgin 190 - Partick "B" v Stirling Uni 168 - Motherwell "B" v Queen's Park 155 - Aberdeen "B" v St Johnstone "B" 153 - Hamilton "B" v Edinburgh City 110 - Dundee "B" v Alloa Not Declared - Kilmarnock "B" v Berwick Not Declared - Ross County "B" v Forfar For the sake of completeness here are last season's crowds: 496 - Stirling Albion v Hearts "B" 351 - Clyde v Partick "B" 350 - Elgin v Hearts "B" 305 - Formartine v Aberdeen "B" 299 - Queen's Park v Kilmarnock "B" 190 - Cove v Dundee "B" 119 - Cumbernauld v Hamilton "B" 114 - Albion Rovers v Hamilton "B" 1,007 - Motherwell "B" v Airdrie 493 - Rangers "B" v Stirling Uni 449 - Cowdenbeath v Celtic "B" 436 - Partick "B" v Queen's Park 402 - Motherwell "B" v Edinburgh City 350 - Ross County "B" v Brora 324 - Rangers "B" v Stenhousemuir 320 - St Johnstone "B" v Turriff 296 - Inverness "B" v Arbroath 221 - Aberdeen "B" v Forfar 216 - Celtic "B" v Annan For context - last season Cowdenbeath (345) and Annan (387) were the only SPFL clubs to average under 400.
  11. Here are figures this season and last: 2017-18 - new R1 ... average 298* (excluding Championship clubs; overall 531*) *will be lower if/when Kilmarnock "B" and Ross County "B" declared 1,655 - Dundee Utd v Cowdenbeath 1,462 - Dunfermline v Arbroath 1,357 - St Mirren v East Kilbride 1,036 - Morton v Livingston 1,012 - QotS v Airdrie 971 - Raith v Brora 453 - Buckie v Brechin 413 - Stirling Albion v Montrose 389 - Dumbarton v Rangers "B" 387 - Hibs "B" v Elgin 333 - East Fife v Peterhead 319 - Clyde v Stranraer 318 - East Stirlingshire v Ayr 278 - Annan v Celtic "B" 200 - Formartine v Hearts "B" 190 - Partick "B" v Stirling Uni 169 - Stenhousemuir v Cove 168 - Motherwell "B" v Queen's Park 155 - Aberdeen "B" v St Johnstone "B" 155 - Albion Rovers v Spartans 153 - Hamilton "B" v Edinburgh City 110 - Dundee "B" v Alloa Not Declared - Kilmarnock "B" v Berwick Not Declared - Ross County "B" v Forfar 2016-17 R1-2 ... average 333 1,007 - Motherwell "B" v Airdrie 496 - Stirling Albion v Hearts "B" 493 - Rangers "B" v Stirling Uni 449 - Cowdenbeath v Celtic "B" 436 - Partick "B" v Queen's Park 402 - Motherwell "B" v Edinburgh City 399 - Peterhead v Brora 351 - Clyde v Partick "B" 350 - Elgin v Hearts "B" 350 - Ross County "B" v Brora 335 - Arbroath v East Fife 326 - Stranraer v Spartans 324 - Rangers "B" v Stenhousemuir 320 - St Johnstone "B" v Turriff 305 - Formartine v Aberdeen "B" 302 - Berwick v Spartans 299 - Queen's Park v Kilmarnock "B" 296 - Inverness "B" v Arbroath 242 - Brechin v Cove 221 - Aberdeen "B" v Forfar 216 - Celtic "B" v Annan 190 - Cove v Dundee "B" 180 - Turriff v Montrose 149 - East Stirlingshire v Montrose 119 - Cumbernauld v Hamilton "B" 114 - Albion Rovers v Hamilton "B"
  12. These were actually declared as 389 , 318 and 168. There were only 110 at Dundee "B" which may be a new record low in the competitions 25-odd year history. Still no crowds in SPFL website for Partick "B" (although this was announced by the club as 190), Kilmarnock "B" or Ross County "B" yesterday... it wouldn't hugely surprise if these are never released given they seem likely to be poor, but maybe they will come along belatedly. This means the average, excluding Championship clubs at home as they didn't play this stage last season, has gone under 300 and in doing so dropped 11% from 333 last season to 298.
  13. 34% at Dumbarton tonight concludes this season's average at 44% - representing an 11% drop on last season.
  14. Now in normal circumstances - and in the Scottish Cup - they'd be out of the cup... However in the league (was it Peterhead in SPFL1?) and with Livingston v Crusaders in this cup last year, they ordered a fine and replay IIRC. Was he unregistered? Suspended? Stranraer and Cove were also fined for fielding ineligible players in last season's League Cup groupstage. Btw, I've seen the Ross County "B" v Forfar crowd estimated at 250-300, admittedly by a home supporter. EDIT: Spartans have been involved in a lot of such cases in recent years. On credit side a replay was ordered v St Mirren in the Scottish Cup (insufficient U21 outfielders) and v Elgin in the Scottish Cup (player registered after date of first tie attempt). On the debit side they were stripped of the EOS League Cup v Whitehill for playing a cuptied substitute in the final; had a replay ordered v Elgin in the Scottish Cup (unregistered player); were expelled from the Scottish Cup v Culter plus South Challenge Cup v LTHV (incorrectly registered player); were expelled from the Lowland League Cup (listed triallist); and deducted 3pts in the EOS League (suspended player). Suspect that's an unrivalled total.
  15. Thanks for that Bluedragon. Btw, in SJFA Centenary Book it says on p189 there were 22 players capped at Amateur level while playing Junior. You've discounted McLean of Dundee Anchorage. What about the other 6... Buchanan, McKenzie and McPherson of Clydebank (1930, 1930 & 1934); McGolgin of Port Glasgow (1954); Simpson of Kennoway (1938); and Peattie of St Monace (1936)?