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And here's the relevant quote in full. Note the bottom line which Bennett cut, the one that makes it extremely clear that I did not accept the verdict as correct. You really are dishonest Bennett, forcing me to quote myself like that.

Ralph McTell - Streets Of London

There's no double speak here. This issue was fully investigated by an independent commission which ruled that the players were eligible to play. Had the commission ruled otherwise then our punishment would have been greater. Where are the double standards?

Glory hunters who couldn't be arsed with the journey.

Todays plans. I am going to smash up an old bedroom unit. Fit some shelves in a cupboard. Cook something nice for dinner. Edit. I put a tenner in the fund. I would do it again. Don't let the buggers grind you down Grimbo. Miko

The Pretenders - Night In My Veins

Simon Dupree And The Big Sound : Kites

It does certainly feel like the club are at a bit of a crossroads. We were extremely unfortunate that the period in which we had one of our strongest squads of all time coincided with us sharing a division with Hearts, Hibs and Rangers. Whilst a lot of clubs were probably happy just to tread water until the playing field was more level, we continued our upward trajectory and ended up "best of the rest", an admirable achievement. As tends to happen, our achievements didn't go unnoticed and instead of building on that success, we found ourselves having to completely rebuild almost from scratch. A year later and we're not much further forward. Hilarious though their struggles were, the fact it took Rangers two attempts to get out of this division, and Hibs still find themselves here hasn't helped our cause. Falkirk look like a Premiership side in all but name. Raith are going through a similar period of success to us. St Mirren have spent more time in recent years in the top division than the Championship and will be in better shape this year than last. Morton have a rich backer keeping them afloat even if his decision making has probably caused more issues than it has fixed. And Dunfermline are finally back at a level more fitting of their stature. It is only the part-time status of Ayr and Dumbarton that give cause for confidence that we should be finishing above them. In a very short time we have gone from "best of the rest" to almost bottom of the pile. Our crowds are terrible, and I can't think of much more the board can do to try and address this. People aren't interested, with a depressing number of them viewing Scottish football as a joke, and Queens held in even less regard. Our media don't help with this. Irritating though it is, you have to respect the English media for marketing West Brom vs Stoke as the greatest thing of all time, whilst our lot just talk it down all the time, aside from a certain fixture that's returning next year to everyone's delight. When Hewitson became Chairman he quickly took on lots of off-field ventures, presumably to try and bridge the gap with the teams with higher incomes. This years concert aside I think these have been a success, but it hasn't been reflected in the playing staff. You get the feeling the board would happily settle for another 7th place finish now, and it's hard to argue given the teams in the division. Realism is fine, but it's not going to entice people through the gate. Of course we tried the alternative of throwing silly money about under Davie Rae, and I don't think the bubble was even fully inflated before it burst. Living within our means is the only option, but it's a slow and tedious process. Surely the only way of progressing the club is to have some sort of long term plan. One year contracts and sacking managers on a whim doesn't fulfill that criteria if you ask me. Surely mainstays such as Higgins, Dowie, Lyle (the likes of Burns and McKenna in the past) should have been given longer contracts. Not only to ensure we keep hold of our better players, but also to reward them for their services and to encourage loyalty. If you can keep the same spine then all you need to do is supplement it every summer rather than making wholesale changes. I suppose you could argue the three players I have highlighted are all staying anyway, but I'd like to see more added to that list. I'm maybe worrying over nothing and the board have it under control. I'm certainly happy enough overall with the way they are running the club. I just feel that without the signs of a long term vision existing supporters are going to grow disillusioned, and new supporters will be non-existent. We're a well established club at this level now, yet I don't feel like we are any closer to going up than when we first joined the division. If we aren't aspiring to try and do that, what's the point?

Our defence has been a shambles all season. The manager has to learn from this seasons mistakes! The Cup Final was embarrassing and the manager had no response to Hibs targeting Tavernier. Middle of the park is fine and having Forrester fit and ready to go will be a huge boost. He and McKay could be stars in this league Still not convinced Waghorn is good enough to be our out and out forward. Miller will be a year older. I would love us to sign Rodgers from Aberdeen. He was outstanding every time I saw him for Falkirk. I have a feeling though that the manager actually rates Foderingham and any Keeper he bring in will be backup As far as away fans go. Could not care less. As long as we drastically the Celtic allocation and give them the corner and no more

Why do you need to know?

MUST NOT TYPE LIQUIDATION. MUST NOT TYPE LIQUIDATION. MUST NOT TYPE LIQUIDATION. <<<Had more drinks than Kinky on an average Monday morning.

I did a quick search...and my views were: http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/227220-the-outcome/?p=9966804 "What I think is immaterial*. The appeal possibility was discounted," http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/227257-would-you-accept-an-apology/?p=9965539 Indeed not. The LNS commission's judgment was unaffected by the UTT result, the CoS outcome or what may happen at the supreme court. The SPL enquiry discounted what may come through the appeal process. You know this. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/167655-big-rangers-administrationliquidation-thread-all-chat-here/?p=9946718 It is odd to ask for a commission which found us guilty to be reconvened or overruled by a new commission. On the basis that we should be exonerated or that we should be found more guilty than we actually were? It has to be one or the other. You also have to have a basis for the new commission. That a later appeal found in favour of HMRC re The EBT scheme? This possibility was both known, explicitly discussed and discounted by the SPL's representative who sought a decision irrespective of the appeal outcome. Note to a few diddies banging on about sporting advantage. The job of any club's management is to gain a sporting advantage. Our use of EBTs was designed to help that for sure. The issue is whether or not that advantage was gained unfairly. The LNS commission found that it wasn't. My view has been consistent as far as this part of the argument is concerned...LNS was advised to proceed and to discount any HMRC judgement.

If he was Jewish then why did he have a Mexican name?

Almost as funny as you believing your racist hero that Rangers had paid all their small creditors lol...got that list proving it yet?...4 years and counting

Richard Thompson : Crawl Back (Under My Stone)

I believe there are many ways Dundee can improve as a team over the summer. As a Dundee fan I understand there has been lots of controversy regarding last season, as we finished in the bottom six and we did not get the "cup run" that was anticipated by Paul Hartley at the start of the season. However it's easy to forget that it was only our second season back in the top flight of scottish football, and if someone had told me at the beginning of our first season, that we were going to be top six in our first season, and finish bottom six the next, and then to relegate United in the process! I would never have believed it. In my opinion, due to Dundee overachieving in the first season, they may have set the bar too high, and thus leaving many fans hopeful, yet disappointed when they finished eighth overall. We are now however expecting great things from the club in the future, due to some new faces on the pitch. Next season we are anticipating a much more challenging league as we play one of the largest teams in scotland. We have already signed James Vincent and Danny Williams from Inverness and also Yordi Teijsse from Quick Boys in Holland. These players look to be promising, and what more, they are very affordable members too, considering Vincent's performance in the Scottish cup final in 2015. It is now almost certain that Paul McGinn is departing after his storm down the tunnel during the lap of honour in the final home game and his lack of interest to stay at the club, therefore Dundee have had a decision to make in the right back department, they could place their faith in young Cammy Kerr, who stood in admirably when McGinn was injured, and bring another right back through from the youth academy, or they could sign someone else with young Cammy as back-up. If we are going for the latter option then we will need a right back that is experienced enough to add stability to the defence, possesses a good amount of pace and is a good reader of the game. What is more uncertain about this transfer window is whether one of our star men Greg Stewart is going to be staying around or not, he has already knocked back a contract extension that would have made him the highest paid player at the club, so whether he is keen to stay is yet to be known. However as it stands, Stewart is free to talk to new clubs in January next year, if he doesn't sign a new deal and doesn't leave in the summer. Plenty of clubs have shown their interest in Stewart and I believe bid of around £400/500k will possibly be enough to seal the deal elsewhere for him - That's my opinion, and there are many that will not agree with me - Many fans infact believe that we should be commanding a higher fee for arguably one of the best players in the country at present. With Stewart's contract expiring next summer I think the wise choice would be to cash in on him now rather than keeping him for one more season, and invest the money on other right wing targets with similar attributes. Kane Hemmings is another member of the squad that has been associated with a move away from Dens Park, but I can't see this move happening. He is contracted to the summer of 2018 and also seems to be enjoying life at the club. However every player has their price and if a club comes in with a bid close to the one million mark it may be enough for Dundee to accept. The final point to improve Dundee over the summer concerns Paul Hartley. Now, don't misunderstand, I believe Hartley has done a tremendous job since he has been appointed for us and from what I can see, with the team under his management we can get an excellent result, even if it's against all odds, but then we will lose to a team much lower in the table than us. Its this inconsistency that has been the difference to us finishing in the bottom six last season rather than the the top six. For example, we hard fought an outstanding draw against Celtic at home, putting us in a great position to finish in the top half of the table and then three days later, we lose against Hamilton and our only chance of finishing in the top six narrowly escapes us. This inconsistency must be improved on over the summer, if we hope to be successful next season.

In your heart of hearts, do you not have a wee moral twinge about this? Your club/company suspected that their use of side letters might be contentious so, to prevent the tax man getting wind of things, you elected not to tell the football authorities either, deliberately breaking their rules. According to the LNS commission, they couldn't backdate ineligibility, so they let results stand with a wee slap on the wrist fine that was never going to be paid. If the side-letters had come to light at the time, any impacted player would have been ineligible and all results voided. LNS may have decided there's a statute of limitations for imposing punishments but that doesn't mean the offence didn't take place.

The clubs themselves don't actually lay the pitch, they get qualified people who know what they are doing to carry out the work Anyway, they did do away with the slope, something that's clear when you see how high the home end terrace is compared to the pitch. I read previously that the very slight incline that there is now is there for drainage reasons. It's so slight that it's hard to see anyway. More importantly, surely you people know not to listen to wasps1?

Given the current sensitivities it's probably just as well that the Frankie Howerd vehicle "Up Mohammed (peace be upon him)" never got past pre-production,

Aye mate

Fair enough, thanks for that. Of course, Queens never offer two year contracts so it cant be true. Bit odd he turned down what would, presumably, be a lot more money at Plymouth. Maybe didnt fancy the move I suppose

Alice Cooper - School's Out

Bessie Banks - Go Now original version

Cries about non-sequiturs - then inserts a non-sequitur to try and make his ramshackle argument stack up. No one has suggested that the Scottish Government will "directly dictate" the sanctions to be made by the footballing authorities. They have on the other hand indicated that the considerable taxpayer subsidy being handed over to Scottish football clubs and organisations going towards youth development can and may be withheld if the footballing authorities don't take credible action. Which they have every right to determine. And they also have every right to legislate against scumbag fan behaviour: an alternative that of course was met with shrieks of outrage from those concerned about bigotry but not actually concerned enough to back, erm... any measures whatsoever to stop it. Utter bollocks. That would be why so-called 'collective punishments' imposed on scumbag fans in Italy, the Balkans and any other part of Europe have been successfully challenged in the courts as being "highly dodgy on a civil liberties point of view". Oh wait, that's right: a football match is actually a private event, attendance to which can quite clearly be regulated by the football association and individual clubs, as well as by the police and the law courts. It has nothing to do with civil liberties whatsoever. Another straw man claim. Point deductions are already applied for teams that make an arse of correctly registering their players or noting suspensions, as well as for financial mismanagement. Why should scumbag fan behaviour not lead to a direct punishment for the club in question? Once again, the supposedly concerned opponents of the Football Act turn out to be, when pushed at all, not actually in favour of strict liability, and also not in favour of the measures brought in by the SG because strict liability was going nowhere within the football authorities. It's almost as if they have no interest in tackling the problem (or don't recognise bigotry and scumbag behaviour in a public place to be a problem), but are hiding behind a concern for 'civil liberties' instead. Oooft - safe to say that the only person coming across bitter on this thread - falsely claiming that the entire Scottish game is dependent on the Old Firm; falsely claiming that points deductions are a line of punishment that shouldn't be used to punish misdemeanours - is yourself champ. A thinly veiled Sevconian still absolutely seething about the administration of your old, dead club, the punishments that were rightly applied to that car-crash of an outfit by the authorities, and the reputation that your knuckle-dragging fanbase has rightly earned as Scotland's Shame. Gutted for you that despite your endless proclamations to be ra peepul, you are in fact absolutely powerless to act against a wildly popular administration that has identified your ilk as part of the problem.

We don't all have the time to go back and delete posts.Your comprehension is absolutely dreadful as well.

Ooh, somebody had rich parents. Bet you had the thermal printer for printing out BEASTly photos too.

What a moron

Van Der Graaf Generator - Refugees

They know they have no place to hide when it comes to the CHEATING accusations, and with fairly administered (bizarre concept, I know) actions by Scottish Football's ruling authorities, they should have been STRIPPED of all honours won during the DOS / EBT cheating years. The contortions that we witnessed for them to actually retain those tainted titles ( really tainted!) are a shame on Scottish society, and that such a thing is tolerated - pretty much for a 'keep our windows intact' peace and security scenario is a disgrace. That's why Tedi, Bennett, The_Kincardine and their lesser munchkins always play the man rather than try to debate the facts as to why they should NOT have the titles removed... Aye Bennett - facts are kind of 'dull'. Much better with a bit of exciting 'same club / 54 titles and counting' fiction ETA - LNS name change by deed poll to Stoogey McStoodgeface

Fairport Convention : No Man's Land

The Doors - Land Ho

Looking at the set list I think we got a far better one at Hampden.

The Four Seasons - December, 1963 (Oh, What A Night)

That might be one of the best fights I've witnessed. Pure chaos. Beautiful KO and a £60 win for me. Had a £5 on Hendo to win in round 2.

You're not still peddling that paranoid pish are you?!

Hibs fans with their noses pressed up against the window, looking in enviously again.

Rap Noakes - Together Forever

The Byrds - I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better

The Scaffold - Thank U Very Much

OK, PC Murdoch, you win the bag of granny sookers.

That's lovely that you are there for your mam. We just cremated my uncle on Thursday. Not wanting to top trump you mate but that's my 2nd uncle that's passed this year. With only 3 of them left me mam is the eldest. You've just got to be strong as you can for your family. It brings our own mortality into focus too, you've got to remember the happy times with your aunty. My uncle was always laughing & making folk laugh, I turned up at me Mam's on Wednesday afternoon with my funeral suit & she asked me where's my checked shirt? Apparently she'd told me that all the blokes are to wear a checked shirt, ny uncle always wore them. I drove down to the tesco's & managed to get a checked shirt but when I got back to me Mam's house they'd left the security tag on, I could have driven back down to get them to remove it but I thought no, Uncle Tom would have pished his sides if he knew I'd turned up at his funeral wearing a security tag. I took me mam shopping yesterday at tesco so have got it removed now, but I've still got 1 more happy memory of my uncle now. The people who helped shape us are no longer here but we go on until it's our time. Enjoy your life the way your aunty would have wanted you to & don't forget to tell your mam you love her. Grimbo

I'd be gutted to see Graham go. Put in some great performances this season and contributed nicely with goals. Sat on the bench too much for my liking. Understand that he wants consistent first team football, which is hard with Boyce, Schalk and (a hopefully fit) Curran.

Much as I think this whole affair has been blown out of all proportion out of sour grapes, to suggest that Celtic hooligans blew £25 each in the hope that Hibs would win and they would therefore get an excuse to invade the pitch and harass the retreating Rangers players like it was the relief of Helm's Deep is an absurdity worthy of Traynor himself.

That's a classic piece of deflection there and a pretty wide interpretation of your earlier post, best to hold yer hands up here. " Anyway, I do accept LNS's verdict, in that in law, it stands. I simply must accept it and therefore do." Again I don't care if you like it or not.

Heh heh, good shout - he WAS good, too!

Yes we are totally distraught we haven't managed to attract such talent as Conor Sammon.

You can tell the CHEATING issue has struck home. No answers apart from We Beat You Time And Again, nanananananah Yeah, by playing improperly registered players. Duh. The point is it is not a Rangers / Aberdeen thing. It is a Rangers / Everybody Else thing. See Dundee United's 3 point deduction for playing their own loan-period-finished players in a post relegation futile match as the poster child example of Scottish Football authorities curious double standards.

The pish you type......

I know it's been a while and a few posters have left Scottish football anticipating our return but most will welcome us back with open arms. Interesting season ahead. Will we manage to sort out our defence? How will some of our vaunted Championship players fare in the top league? How much will the away fans enjoy their trips to Ibrox?