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I think we can all agree that sorts that out.

The Nile The Niall Denial

You're right in that players weren't 'signed' as such. However, they were brought into the club and were able to play in some opening fixtures, thus rendering the embargo effective over just one window. Stop arguing about something we both understand perfectly well.

I think that this line - I could not give a f**k who it cost and what it cost - is fairly representative of most of the Rangers fans on here and in the wider world, about both the tax cases and the wider liquidation generally. I also think it's worth remembering that Rangers fans do not give a f**k who their club's liquidation cost*, and how much it cost them**, when they're asking us all for sympathy because - Craig Whyte cost some debenture holders money and - Seeing Rangers liquidate hurt their fans' feelings. Maybe the next time one of these guys rolls out their tear-stained But Rangers fans are the Real Victims proclamations, we should remember that their attitude towards the rest of the country spending a fortune cleaning up their old club's mess is - F*ck them. The rest of us don't count, I think. We're just here to pay their bills and offer them sympathy whenever they demand it. *It cost all of us, every taxpayer. **It cost lots.

Juice Newton : Angel Of The Morning

Let me just clarify something with you and the rest of the mock offended over my comment re; Whyte. Craig Whye, because of his fraudulent actions brings the worst out of me, so much so that a lot is out of character. The comment may well have been crass however i've seen many people suffer financially over his criminal acts, people who will never have the full amount they've been ripped off for by this criminal, people who have been in great distress over his criminality, families who depended on the money lost, creditors outwith the club and those within the club, as well as that add 26,000 shareholders who will not receive a penny after the liquidation is fully complete. What i've noticed though that on this forum there has not been too many who have condemned Whyte, Clark, Whitehouse, Greir and Withey since the news broke that serious charges were being preferred against each of them and hopefully there are people still to be charged in this conspiracy that has caused many to lose millions, so sorry one thing you or anyone else won't be getting from myself is any sort of an apology over the comment i made. Maybe if and when Craig Whyte reimburses all the creditors that he and his cohorts have fraudulently taken from many then just maybe i'll apologise over that comment but don't hold your breath on that. If that offends you then too bad, you'll need to stay offended.

Nail. Head. Hit. These pathetic clowns have been riding this one for so long that it's become beyond boring. Anyone who cares to find the original post, and can comprehend simple written English, will see that its meaning was a comment on the ridiculous idea that cancer, especially in public figures, can transform personalities. Personal experience allows me to have the informed opinion that this theory is bollocks. I'd go so far as to say that the rangers fans on here, by using their "hero" for petty point scoring, are being far more disrespectful than I ever was. As with their ill,-informed strops over that statue, I really shouldn't be surprised...

2 and a half years and over 6,000 pages in and we still have fantasists claiming that Rangers were in a decent financial state before Craig Whyte's takeover for £1 (Yes, £1!). Throughout this thread these claims have been debunked time and time again yet the usual suspects keep coming back with the exact same 'evidence' to 'prove' that they are correct. Youngsy's magical £18million bank debt being comparable to £53million total liabilities being a favourite of mine, trotted out repeatedly even though he has been told his comparison is utter bollocks again and again. Anyway, to show how brilliant a state Ranger's accounts (© Tedi) were in to June 2010 I have calculated Altman's Z'-score. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altman_Z-score#Z-score_estimated_for_private_firms To sum up it is a test on the likelihood of bankruptcy within the next two years. You put figures from the accounts into a formula and depending on the result you can decide if a company is going tits up or not. I got taught this in advanced finance so it isn't some pie in the sky theory, it is derived through genuine statistically based analysis and used in the finance industry. Having done the calculation Ranger's score at 30th June 2010 was 0.91. Anything below 1.23 is a firm in distress, between 1.23 and 2.9 is a grey area, and above 2.9 the company is safe. So accordingly Rangers were a basket case before Craig Whyte took over. I apologise in advance for actually using some knowledge of finance and expect irrelevant (in isolation), cherry picked numbers to be plucked out of the accounts in reply.

I think Ireland appear to have another fan on here He'll be along to discuss the "irony" of this tear stained post referendum post. I would point out it was in the "will you support Scotland thread"

It's Scotland's largest Lingerie section I understand.

Your old club will still be dead and Mike Ashley will still have the new one you support by the balls. I'll get the party poppers in. You can buy the jelly and ice cream.

Didn't mean every week. I'm glad you comment on them though. I must rate your side highly....

We condemned him as a c unt and criminal when he took over. No-one wanted to listen then and I'm willing to bet you won't listen now. Just a word of warning though. Self pity is like a drug and can rapidly lead to depression. While I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire I wouldn't wish an illness on anyone.

I managed to include "scrambling for relevence" in my Uni report.

Lyndon Dykes has dual British / Australian nationality but yes, that's him. He has family locally. The next Development League game is on Tuesday night away to Airdrie. We're due to be at home to Annan the week after but there's no definite date for that one set yet. The fixtures tend to be finalised a week at a time.

Deacon Blue - Chocolate Girl

Look at it though. It's the kind of thing psychopaths wear. And not the cuddly psychopaths you see on TV either. The hairy rapey ones you see on the news.

Slagging a mans headwear,scum sub human scum imo

^^^ unashamed class traitor

Lolz. Actually no, that's the opposite of what I'm doing. I am doing zero spinning. Numbers directly out of the accounts. In a formula. Simple as that. No it fucking wasn't! How many times? The Bank Debt was reduced to £18million. Are you suggesting that the other £38million of debts didn't need paid? And as a wee aside I've just noticed that even the £18million figure for bank debt in the 2010 accounts has been massaged for the hard of thinking. It is actually £22.695million. £18million due after a year, £1million due within a year and a bank overdraft of £3.695million. So even your £18million bank debt comfort blanket is inaccurate to the tune of 26%.

Broken thumb? Players in the past used to play on with a broken bones and was there not even a keeper who played on with a broken neck?? But no Burton's broken his THUMB so he can't kick a ball. Pathetic, McGlynn should have his players breaking their bollocks to get on the field and get the team up the league instead of sending him to a fucking specialist!!!

I think it's worth remembering that by and large our u20's squad is very young. It was mostly assembled as an u19 squad before the SPFL moved the goalposts and it was young even for a 19's squad. Of the actual 20's squad itself only Lyndon Dykes has turned 19 and only Jak Ashton and Dylan Neill are even 18 yet. The rest of them are all 16 and 17. Of the fringe first teamers who play regularly in the Development League, Atkinson and Hooper are about to turn 20 (and Pat Slattery is 21 though now out on loan anyway) but the rest are much younger. Salim Kouider-Aissa and Dean Smith are 18 and Aidan Smith is only 17. They might be regarded as first team players because they have a squad number and train up the road but between them they've got 4 first team starts and 3 of those were Atkinson last season, the other being Hooper when we fielded a fringe team at Cowdenbeath in last season's closing game. I'm not sure how often Kevin Dzierzawski has actually played for the 20's? I don't think Kidd's played more than a couple of times (he's age eligible too for that matter) and McKenna once. It's not really the case that we're filling out the Development team with senior players, the boys that are playing are generally development age players. The 20's squad is also possibly a littlle bigger than it needed to be having been largely put together before the new u20 league set up came in that allowed the use of half a dozen older players and when there was an expectation that they'd be playing u19 games and filling out half the squad in reserve league games. The club has recognised that some of them were not playing enough football and addressed it in most cases. Jamie Kerr was allowed to join Glenafton whilst there are currently six players out on Development Loans which let them turn out for other clubs at the weekend whilst remaining eligible for the 20's if required. I'm not going to comment on the merits of individual players. I haven't managed to see the 20's this season for a start (a by product of them playing on midweek nights now, I managed to catch a few games last season when they played Sundays). However, given the quality of our first team these days, it would take a really special player to break into that squad at the age most of them are. It doesn't mean they've no chance of developing to that level. Even Holt and Reilly, good as they clearly are, weren't playing 1st team at that age much and that was in a much weaker first team. Most of the boys have at least 3 years of qualification left at that age level and a fair number of them are still at school and not training full time.

Okay, I'll try and be a bit clearer here. We are a small part-time club and at the moment we're doing well. I fully understand that we'd all like to sustain this level of football for as long as we can and if we can improve income streams that may make that a bit easier. We're not too wee to boost our income streams but we need to be very careful with what we venture into. West Dunbartonshire is one of the poorest areas in Scotland, of course that will have an effect on what facilities are used. People have raised concerns over the assertion that we'll have 52 weddings a year in a fairly undesirable location (compared with some venue's in Balloch/up the Loch), people have raised concerns that there's any demand for a hotel what with a big chain just opened up round the corner from this proposed site. A gym? Aye, it could work, but as we've stated time and time again we need some evidence that these things are viable. I could tell you that a karate class would be full 3 nights every week but until you saw some evidence of that would you not doubt it? As for the too stupid part, well again, as I've stated before - if they can't even give us a rough outline of the cost of each part and expected revenue from each part (after 4 years of planning) then it doesn't seem like the most intelligent business plan to me. We're less than a week to the meeting and I don't expect anything in this respect to be released. "They don't know because they don't know what we'll get for the land". Well if they haven't the foggiest idea of what we'll get for the land how can we possibly plan for a hotel/gym/restaurant and say it will raise much needed cash? I don't doubt there is scope for us to increase our revenue but what I see here is a profit making exercise for our owners and the football club is secondary to their thoughts and for that reason I believe Thechicogibsonexperience has got the preferred end game right in my view. We need to be sure we don't end up with a pile of shite that will cripple us but ultimately get the club into safe hands.

Official SNP Policy is anti TTIP because they don't like Calvin Harris headlining Saturday while Biffy Clyro get the less prestigious Friday slot.

Why don't you just slither back under your rock? ;-) ETA. I wonder how many other folk picture Navid from Still Game when reading your above post!

THE T.

Duster Bennet - Raining In My Heart

That was my recollection too, but I was giving Benny the benefit of the doubt, for the sake of argument. If there's one thing that's patently obvious in the last few pages, it's that fans like Benny so are determined to hold on to their persecution fantasies that they absolutely won't explain what form their supposed persecution took. And that's because any attempt to describe these "draconian punishments" would end with the obvious conclusion - there were none. Bennett's not the only one by any means, but it's very clear that lots of Rangers fans are very, very happy to keep their grievances against the rest of Scottish football entirely abstract and non-specific, precisely because any attempt to ennumerate them would show that they have no reason at all to feel aggrieved.

Just one more

As I recall, the ban effectively amounted to one window - that of January 2013. Rangers Newco could sign players when first set up throughout what remained of summer 2012. This was the period that saw the likes of Templeton, Black, Kyle and Sandaza join up. They then signed nobody until the following summer, whereby people like Clark, Bell and Law joined the club. They had to play them as trialists for a month or so and when rules prevented this -at Forfar - they continued to struggle. Effectively, it was an embargo for one window.

Why weren't airdrieonians afforded the same rules when some arse pulled the rug from under them stating 'Only business'? Or Gretna? Livingston got punted to the third by being in admin and not being able to pay a bond for fixtures. Here we had a new club just weeks before the start of new season (club 12 any one) who didn't even have a licence and a dead club with an spl share. Remember, duff and Phelps got to vote if newco were to be admitted to spl. That is one club voting on acceptance of another club as at this point they had nothing to do with the newco. Starting at the bottom was the most viable and least potentially disruptive choice. Unless if course newco could have afforded a bond of millions prior to the share issue.

Fairport Convention- Angel Delight

The Gaslight Anthem - The '59 Sound

Okay, I remember you exiting the league because you were no longer a football club. No club, no league place. I remember the SFA then allowed the Newco into the league set-up in the bottom tier without any serious competition, whereas other clubs in the same situation had previously been denied admittance. In addition, I recall you got a signing ban that lasted a few months. IIRC the Newco circumvented this ban effortlessly by buying players before it came into effect and/or sleazing their way around the rules by designating full professional signings as "triallists". The first wasn't even a punishment - it was, if anything, the SFA ignoring its own previous practice to do the Newco a huge favour. The second is the only "punishment" that I can think of. It had squarely no effect on the Newco at all and wouldn't have had much more, even if they hadn't found ways to slime out of accepting it. And for the fourth time - what should Scottish football fans have done, apart from asking their clubs to adhere to the laws of the game?

where else would his macabre sense of gore and death be borne from?

Oh, I know the age and all that. I'm just very unimpressed with the structure and resolution.

The lidl ad's annoying too. It's also incredibly stupid, oooh it tastes like something good. No it's lidl. What? I can't believe it's edible. I know it was ten pence for everything but it's all horsemeat. If there's one day you splash out on its Christmas Day, get a grip you utter tinks. Don't invite people round then tell them you've been a cheap git.

Please, please, guys can you put this to rest? You are flogging a dead horse and you are not going to get bennett, No8 or youngsy to say what you want them to say. It's a good job this is not an election campaign because you remind me of the Labour Party in 1983 who were more interested in the direction the Belgrano was sailing in than the reason why the Argies were given the chance to invade the Falklands in the first place. This is a thread about Sevco and the previous lot's Admin/wind-up. There are lots of things happening around Ibrox at the moment and you are breaking up the discussion with your non-stop, repetitive rantings. Now grow up and stop this pathetic attempt at points scoring. Give us a bit of peace!

I even boo when streakers run onto the pitch. BOOOOOOOOBS! When was the last time we had a decent streak in Scottish football, BTW?

Again Bennett, I have to point out that Rangers weren't "hammered". They were treated just the same as any other club that liquidated was - if anything, they were given preferential treatment and crammed right into the bottom tier. It's true that the authorities were working on a way of sliming Rangers into the old first division, out of financial self-interest. This - deliberately turning a blind eye to the rules for personal financial gain - is called "corruption". Remember, you don't like corruption, so I assume you wanted the rules enforced. I do remember that many of your fellow supporters have been angry about that plan, when it's suited them to be angry about it. Nor were Rangers liquidated because they were "the victims of fraud". They were liquidated because their finances were so precarious that a single season without European football was enough to force them into close the doors. Rangers aren't dead because of "fraud", although I'm aware that this is today's excuse. Rangers are dead because they spent fvck-tons of money, then found that they couldn't pay their employees.

Les Dennis is French for fire engine.

Eh. In the Batman Universe Barbara, is the name of Jim Gordon's first wife, and mother of his two kids.Barbara Gordon that was his daughter (fostered?) Or sometimes niece becomes Batgirl and then Oracle when the Joker does her in.

From Wikipedia lol

Now if you ignore the EBT money completely, real Rangers still owed over 45 million to the tax man. They were totally screwed.

Just for the record WRK i wasn't that offended. I expect that kind of hatred from someone like yourself. I have no respect for you or your views.

If he is from Dundee then you meet folk outside boots. Standard.

That's amazing how she managed to put that back together.

an absolute belter of a scene, sorry for the poor quality, only youtube clip i could find

The Enlightenment? About time.