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I'm not a fan of the whole 'only in Glasgow' stuff, but seriously, I can't think of anywhere else that a guy could stop his car and run into a crumbling building to try and help save lives, and be met with such levels of derision and abuse. In that split second, when a fucking helicopter was crashing through a fucking pub roof and killing people, does anyone GENUINELY believe Jim Murphy's first thoughts when he stopped his car and ran to try and help, were 'this could be a vote winner'? If so, seek help.

Jokes are not about individuals involved. They can be about the situation and the reaction to it. What is more offensive is clowns seriously speculating about cause and outcome when they know f**k all. I also can't go grief junkies telling us about their deep shock....you're not, you might be surprised or even a bit concerned, we all are, but you're not involved so shut up.

There's no point in trolling them. If you do you're just playing right in to their hands. Ignoring them is the best course of action.

There should be no talk of religion, politics or who's fault this is at the moment. People have died and others are hurt. That's what we should be thinking of.

Some of the comments on this thread make me ashamed of my fellow countrymen and sickened that people can make light of this awful tragedy. Trying to be funny is not smart and shows a real lack of humanity. I trust the worst offenders don't have the benefit of this forum to spout their bile in the future.

Ken. Helping people out of a collapsing building - what a b*****d, eh?

I went to see an elastic band once. It was a bit disappointing.

To the idiots trying to point score by bringing politics into it - please shut the f**k up. I don't think many people are too bothered about that kind Of shit right now.

Does this mean on the PS4 you only need a three kill streak to get the chopper called in now?

I'd rather hear about people like Alleena Coupe - the lady interviewed on C4 who calmly led people out the Clutha with a torch, then triaged casualties - than the Z-list no-mark Katie Hopkins, who lest we forget didn't even have the courage to wait to be fired on The Apprentice.

That poor lad that's waiting on news regarding his old man. I'm quite a tough cookie, but I had a wee tear in my eye when he was on the telly.

I am interested in politics more than most. And I honestly can't see anybody Murphy, Salmond et al trying to make political capital out of this. If they did the fail danger is massive. It is a terrible tragedy. It is not a political event.

Even if he did have an agenda (he didn't), at least he fucking helped. He didn't sit on Facebook or Twitter selling interviews to the highest bidder, he didn't stand around taking photos and videos and he hasn't made it all about him. He did a good thing and he's a top man for doing it.

despite all the reddys, I still maintain Scottish Football needs a strong Sussex Courier...

Was that last sentence from blood Scotland too?

I got my hole last night for the first time in a few months (fucking disgraceful) The fact that when I got home one of the first thing I have did is tell P&B about it, probably gives me the answer as to why it has been a few months

Jim Murphy may well be an utter b*****d in every-day politics, but any suggestion he is glory-hunting here is moronic.

Heard someone in the background being called a "fucking vulture" on the BBC

Gordon Smart saying he needs to watch his words as a lot of information is unconfirmed. Yeah, God forbid that a journalist from The Sun might get the details wrong and spread disinformation.

At least this one can answer without saying "Oh, two minutes" as if she's doing something more important than speaking to CNN about a helicopter crashing into a pub by her house.

This isn't the right time for a review!

You know it's funny, all of this. We all got such joy from the administration then liquidation, but they re-emerged as something new and then shifted a ton of season tickets. That really should have been the end of our fun. But no, the shambolic, immoral running of things since has been more enjoyable than any of us had any real right to hope for. Hats off Rangers. This has been such fun and there's no real sign of an end yet.

My son was born yesterday

I had to quote this post now, so that it appears at the top of another page of 30 posts. I couldn't bear to not see it every time I load this topic. It has everything I like to see on a thread; 1/100 shots Bets on Norway under 19s A 9 fold accumulator that returns £4.57 And best of all, it doesn't contain a screenshot of the bet, instead it contains a photo of a computer screen with the bet on it. God bless Pie & Bovril.

No

Idiot. Both The Clutha and The Scotia just up the road have been well known music pubs for years and years. Not everywhere in Glasgow is tainted with sectarian sh*te

Nice lady at the blood bank said that the stocks are adequate just now and it would be preferable that if anyone wished to donate that they did it closer to Christmas.

We've had folk implying Murphy was milking it, folk saying it's a Rangers pub among other shite, it's time for some to think b4 they post on certain threads, it's fcuking embarrassing and that's b4 we add in the imbeciles behind Murphy in his interviews. Personally I felt that as a sober MP, Murphy's demeanor in the early interviews showed exactly what it means for a normal person to be involved in something like this.

The biscuits have improved no end, tea cakes, caramel logs...

Surely it isn't very Glaswegian for Glaswegians to write hysterical stuff about how Glaswegians are such heroes for doing what any normal person would do anywhere in the world? Some of the stuff on social media is ridiculous. Yes it was a bad accident and it's a shame but let's not get carried away.

Seen this at Thornton dogs, probably had a few quid on it too!

Murphy clearly isn't embellishing his story. He stood by the door way and helped people out the boozer. He's clearly still in shock.

All the brave talk about the spirit of Glasgow, and then the wee mutants in the background pop up as a reality check.

Thanks for that - the 14 years working on helicopters wasn't a total waste then

Brendan is clearly trying to see how many times he can say the word "fag" during his interview.

BBC Interviewer to Police Pressman: "Can you tell us what you know" Pressman "no."

"Has it been confirmed that it's a helicopter?"

Thought he might have known Strathclyde Police and Strathclyde Fire and Rescue ceased to exist eight months ago

I go to uni in Glasgow.

Aye, how dare the First Minister of a country make a statement about what is going on after a major event happens in the largest city.

So basically your mate will be absolutely fine and mildly inconvenienced.

What he meant to say like?

Asking a clearly shaken woman who lives nearby 'does it appear to be a police helicopter?', whilst the picture of the chopper with the word 'POLICE' on the side adorns the screen. Fucking hell.

So you're basically saying we may as well just not bother? That comment could only have been worse if you had said, "There's no point because all the big decisions are made in Brussels anyway".

Nothing quite like smashing your chopper into some hole on a friday night right enough

I would actually agree Cow. Fantastic player, his performance at Wembley in the play off was one of the best I've ever seen in a Scotland shirt. Classic case of all his brains in his feet though. Compete ned with the brain the size of a walnut, imo. He really shouldn't embarrass himself by discussing things at the adults table. You win last week? Hunger games is doozy, btw.

Got it working now

Yes from me, Unions about the past, independence about the future don't want to be tied to a government that makes most of its decisions for the good of the City of London and the South East of England.