Shades75

90% of the vote for Yes. UDI incoming. EU now put on the spot, so far they've been found wanting.

That should be loondave tucked away for another week or so.

Merkel wants answers from Spain as to why there was a heightened intervention from the police, which is a start. I was thinking of a way to put the UK's statement on the matter. I think "Putrid" puts it very well. The politics and outlook of the UK over the last few years makes me want to scream.

Telling them not to do it "or else" was the start of what they're doing wrong.

According to Duncan Hothersall she shouldn't even comment. She's only the leader of a devolved administration, after all.

Seen that. Living proof that an expensive education does not make someone clever.

Granted. You just know that their Scottish team was Rangers though.

The absolute and unrelenting rule of twitter, as I've observed numerous times, is that those who are Scottish and are arguing for the Spanish state's actions to disrupt the vote is that the profile of the person arguing for it has the same word, every time. It is as consistent now as it was during our independence referendum. "Rangers" Has a more arseholic breed ever walked the Earth?

Every week I watch QT and wonder where they find these c***s masquerading as human beings.

Democracies rely on the acceptance of a fiction of representational governance by a willing population. Democracy is not a hard and fast term, neither are constitutions or laws. Laws become outdated and are challenged by protest, the enlightening of a populace (or an individual) and constitutions are added to and subtracted from continuously. The want, or need, to self-govern or independence is a consistent challenge, one that has become more and more "normal" through the breakup of political unions and empires throughout the the last few centuries, to the constitutions and subjugating laws of old.

How can no voters be voters if they don't vote? In elections, referenda etc... these are abstentions. Im not sure how those that abstain can claim a de facto victory in a vote that they don't vote in. If a people are not allowed to make a representation of their will, by a binary vote, as to whether they would like to self-govern or be represented by a minority in a collective government then that seems to me to be repression. The tactics of the Spanish government are consistent with inhibiting a free and democratic vote. I'm not sure, unless one is at odds with democracy, how that can be defended righteously.

Anyone got any idea what this means?

Stop...

It was an almost unprecedented swing because Labour were a mile behind the Tories to start with. A tiny gain in a small margin wins you an election. A massive gain in a massive margin leaves you second.

65% of Scots now don't want us to leave the EU. Up 4% from the referendum. That's 2 in 3 people who are going to get what they don't want. What's this "will of the people" thing I keep hearing?