[The Master]

I am of the opinion that anyone who uses Flash for their entire site should be shot.

This post has been edited by EastFootball: 25 July 2008 - 23:38

[boardroomshuffler]

The club should never have been allowed in the league in the first place.

[Simplistic]

this is going to get so very very boring if everytime something goes wrong we have another gretna booooo thread.

If anything id say good of them to find a workable solution, many other clubs would have just postponed.

I'm looking forward to seeing gretna grow

[pantaloon]

i have to agree it's not a good start to Gretna's season and thanks to Kelso for being so helpfull I just hope it is a "one off" situation and the fixtures will run smoothly for the rest of the season.I and many other Gretna supporters are genuinely looking forward to visiting "pastures new" in the EOS and if Dalbeattie is anything to go by it will be very enjoyable. I hope everyone takes us at face value and NOT get us confused with the now defunct Gretna FC. Everything is new...the Manager and his assistants, the players(good luck to the young boys) the Football Committee and even our bus driver Rab(quite a character). So here's to a season of good football and new friends.

[Dalai_Lama]

pantaloon, on Jul 26 2008, 10:34, said:

i have to agree it's not a good start to Gretna's season and thanks to Kelso for being so helpfull I just hope it is a "one off" situation and the fixtures will run smoothly for the rest of the season.I and many other Gretna supporters are genuinely looking forward to visiting "pastures new" in the EOS and if Dalbeattie is anything to go by it will be very enjoyable. I hope everyone takes us at face value and NOT get us confused with the now defunct Gretna FC. Everything is new...the Manager and his assistants, the players(good luck to the young boys) the Football Committee and even our bus driver Rab(quite a character). So here's to a season of good football and new friends.

Agreed, good luck to you all.

[gretna_ed]

pantaloon, on Jul 26 2008, 10:34, said:

and even our bus driver Rab(quite a character). So here's to a season of good football and new friends.

Rab drove us a couple of times last season. Ask him if he's still got the photo's of the lassies in the fishnets from Abington

This will just be a one off. As we've only had the fixture list a couple of weeks it didn't give us much chance to book the facilities when required and we just got unlucky for the opening fixture. The remainder of the home games will be booked now

This post has been edited by gretna_ed: 26 July 2008 - 18:38

[Duncan Freemason]

zupa, on Jul 27 2008, 00:05, said:

Who has booked "the stadium" ?, how dare they.

Dumfries and Galloway 63rd Cub Scouts.

[pantaloon]

Duncan Freemason, on Jul 27 2008, 05:52, said:

Dumfries and Galloway 63rd Cub Scouts.

Ah wondered when you would get in on the act You've been missing for a day or two...have you been on holiday?

[gretnascotty]

boardroomshuffler, on Jul 26 2008, 06:31, said:

The club should never have been allowed in the league in the first place.

Why is there such negativity about gretna? Obviously what has happened in the last year or so has tarnished our name but we are a new club now trying to start a fresh so why everytime something happens that shouldnt is there all this "gretna should never have been admitted to the league" and "we all hate gretna boo boo boo"

Give us a bloody chance to sort out things. We are trying to sort out Stadium issues and with the facilities being in annan at the minute things are difficult.

[Wee Smiler]

gretnascotty, on Jul 27 2008, 22:54, said:

Why is there such negativity about gretna? Obviously what has happened in the last year or so has tarnished our name but we are a new club now trying to start a fresh so why everytime something happens that shouldnt is there all this "gretna should never have been admitted to the league" and "we all hate gretna boo boo boo"

Give us a bloody chance to sort out things. We are trying to sort out Stadium issues and with the facilities being in annan at the minute things are difficult.

Agree Thought the East made a sensible decision in supporting determined team in a difficult situation. I'm sure they will deliver - give them a chance!

[Duncan Freemason]

gretnascotty, on Jul 27 2008, 22:54, said:

Why is there such negativity about gretna? Obviously what has happened in the last year or so has tarnished our name but we are a new club now trying to start a fresh so why everytime something happens that shouldnt is there all this "gretna should never have been admitted to the league" and "we all hate gretna boo boo boo"

Give us a bloody chance to sort out things. We are trying to sort out Stadium issues and with the facilities being in annan at the minute things are difficult.

Well as to hating Gretna, I don't. As I've said before, go back through my postings and you will find nothing remotely linked to hatred.
Anyway, you asked the question "Why is there such negativity about Gretna". I'm afraid it's something you've brought entirely upon your own heads. When you get pelters, you make the claim that "we are a new club with nothing to do with the old". Yet when you were trying to start off, loads of people said "drop the Gretna FC name" or you will forever be saddled as being connected to the old mob. By and large, you roundly gave two fingers to that logic, because you wanted to be connected to the old mob because you wanted to have a history and a heritage where you could say "three promotions in record time, Scottish Cup Final etc etc etc". Not only that you wanted to keep the old club's badge, colours and while you talk about "sorting a stadium in Gretna", it obviously alludes to the fact that you want the old mob's ground too. So y'see, you haven't made a particularly good effort at distancing yourselves from the old mob, because truth be told, you actually didn't really want to (in footballing terms). You tried to be selective in what you associated yourself with from the "good old days", and that doesn't work. Didn't someone say that you had actually "bought the Gretna FC name and crest from the administrator". What does that actually say about you truly being (and wanting to be) a completely different club? As I said, and it's there for anyone to check, I don't hate Gretna. But the fact that you now have folks happy to kick your arse at every opportunity is hardly surprising giving that your new club's proclamations of not wanting to be associated to the old club have been at best, half hearted, and at worst, common or garden lies accompanied by knowing little winks amongst the Gretna support. Result? You still get pelters. If you guys had really wanted to, you could have changed the name, you could have changed the crest, you could have changed the colours. But you didn't want to do it. You wanted the "heritage", but for now at least, that has cost you an element of respect. That might not be a long term thing, but for now, it's the price you are paying for making no real effort to distance yourself from what has gone before..........and it's not much of a price to pay, so rest easy. The only thing that is likely to stick is that for those who followed the story closely these past couple of years, is that the last couple of months have been a success in terms of finding a league to play in, but you still have integrity issues in that you tend to say one thing "we have no connections to the old club", and do another "do everything to look like the old club". You makes your choice, and you pay the price.
You guys want a chance to get on with it. The thing your head guys have completely missed, is that in order to do that, you guys needed to demonstrate that you were indeed "new". That is something you have abjectly failed to address, and I'd say it wasn't oversight, it has been a deliberate policy.

This post has been edited by Duncan Freemason: 28 July 2008 - 06:14

[KingfaetheSooth]

pantaloon, on Jul 26 2008, 10:34, said:

i have to agree it's not a good start to Gretna's season and thanks to Kelso for being so helpfull I just hope it is a "one off" situation and the fixtures will run smoothly for the rest of the season.I and many other Gretna supporters are genuinely looking forward to visiting "pastures new" in the EOS and if Dalbeattie is anything to go by it will be very enjoyable. I hope everyone takes us at face value and NOT get us confused with the now defunct Gretna FC. Everything is new...the Manager and his assistants, the players(good luck to the young boys) the Football Committee and even our bus driver Rab(quite a character). So here's to a season of good football and new friends.

You are likely to see even more sniping in the non-league game if my experience of AFC Wimbledon is anything to go by. Petty jealousies will be in abundance as you work your way up with ambition.

Duncan Freemason, on Jul 28 2008, 05:26, said:

Well as to hating Gretna, I don't. As I've said before, go back through my postings and you will find nothing remotely linked to hatred.
Anyway, you asked the question "Why is there such negativity about Gretna". I'm afraid it's something you've brought entirely upon your own heads. When you get pelters, you make the claim that "we are a new club with nothing to do with the old". Yet when you were trying to start off, loads of people said "drop the Gretna FC name" or you will forever be saddled as being connected to the old mob. By and large, you roundly gave two fingers to that logic, because you wanted to be connected to the old mob because you wanted to have a history and a heritage where you could say "three promotions in record time, Scottish Cup Final etc etc etc". Not only that you wanted to keep the old club's badge, colours and while you talk about "sorting a stadium in Gretna", it obviously alludes to the fact that you want the old mob's ground too. So y'see, you haven't made a particularly good effort at distancing yourselves from the old mob, because truth be told, you actually didn't really want to (in footballing terms). You tried to be selective in what you associated yourself with from the "good old days", and that doesn't work. Didn't someone say that you had actually "bought the Gretna FC name and crest from the administrator". What does that actually say about you truly being (and wanting to be) a completely different club? As I said, and it's there for anyone to check, I don't hate Gretna. But the fact that you now have folks happy to kick your arse at every opportunity is hardly surprising giving that your new club's proclamations of not wanting to be associated to the old club have been at best, half hearted, and at worst, common or garden lies accompanied by knowing little winks amongst the Gretna support. Result? You still get pelters. If you guys had really wanted to, you could have changed the name, you could have changed the crest, you could have changed the colours. But you didn't want to do it. You wanted the "heritage", but for now at least, that has cost you an element of respect. That might not be a long term thing, but for now, it's the price you are paying for making no real effort to distance yourself from what has gone before..........and it's not much of a price to pay, so rest easy. The only thing that is likely to stick is that for those who followed the story closely these past couple of years, is that the last couple of months have been a success in terms of finding a league to play in, but you still have integrity issues in that you tend to say one thing "we have no connections to the old club", and do another "do everything to look like the old club". You makes your choice, and you pay the price.
You guys want a chance to get on with it. The thing your head guys have completely missed, is that in order to do that, you guys needed to demonstrate that you were indeed "new". That is something you have abjectly failed to address, and I'd say it wasn't oversight, it has been a deliberate policy.

No disagreeing with much of that. But the new trust committee at Gretna will be judged on what happens from now on rather than the Mileson regime. My continuing major gripe is that Ron McGreggor continues to be in the background for advice, when he was clearly associated with the previous regime.

I'd also liked to have seen a new name, badge and crest but I'm not suprised that the majority of fans voted for the old and want to retain a link to their heritage.

The flak will really start from all sides if lucozade Lenny or Rowan Alexander ever shows up at one of their games. (the ponytailed one never will of course!)

This post has been edited by KingfaetheSooth: 28 July 2008 - 10:41

[qos_75]

Well I remember the Gretna, pre Mileson and that was a good honest club, so I do wish the new Gretna 2008 and supporters all the best. I also see from the website that you have gone back to the black & white hoops. Much better.

[tamthebam]

I think that most clubs in the EOSL have had to switch venues at some point or other. For example I've seen City play "home" games at Pennypit, Ferguson Park, St Mark's Park, Saughton Enclosure etc when the Concrete Lavvypan hasn't been available and Spartans used to play late/early season games at Peffermill when City Park wasn't available. Most, if not all, the clubs are fairly flexible in this league and it is to their credit that this kind of problem can usually be sorted out.

[pacman]

Whilst we are officially a new club, we will forever be linked with our past. Nothing can change that. What some people seem to forget is that pre-Mileson and pre-SFL Gretna FC were a very well-run, very well respected and very successful non-league team. To gain the respect of other clubs and fans that is what we will have to work hard to become again. In time I think that is what we will become (hopefully). As with most things in Scottish Football, we'll still be met with scepticism from someone. That's just the way football is in this country.

Anyway, here's to our new life in the non-league.