[the_saints_are_coming]

beckham captaining England against tandt. publicity stunt for Mclaren to strip him off it in the first place imo and he fully deserves another whack at it( whether it be for one game or on a permanant basis). while he will no doubt split opinions on this forum i find him to be a genuine, nice guy and someone players such as Terry should take note of on how to handle themselves on the pitch.

[Loki]

It will be probably his last game for England so a fitting way for him to bow out of International football. If England are still looking to him to compete in the World Cup qualifiers when he is playing in such a poor league, will show that England's squad isn't anywhere near the standard as percieved.

[Grievzie]

I doubt Capello will give it to him unlessits a publicity stunt, or maybe a wee gesture to Ferdinand, Gerrard or Terry that the captaincy isnt just between they 3.
That said, i have heard a rumour that Gareth Barry might be given a chance at it. Rooney will be good for it in a few years when he matures a bit more, like Totti at Roma, but not as good a player.

[the_saints_are_coming]

Grievzie, on May 31 2008, 17:19, said:

I doubt Capello will give it to him unlessits a publicity stunt, or maybe a wee gesture to Ferdinand, Gerrard or Terry that the captaincy isnt just between they 3.
That said, i have heard a rumour that Gareth Barry might be given a chance at it. Rooney will be good for it in a few years when he matures a bit more, like Totti at Roma, but not as good a player.

it was confirmed on sky sports mate.

[berwick-the-unbeatable]

Hmm.

Beckham as captain. Can't be anything permanant, he shouldn't even be getting a starting place.

I think Barry would be good as captain but there is no chance of it happening. It will end up on Terry's arm. f**k knows why, there is no way he is a leader. People abused Gallas for greeting, saying he shouldn't be captain if you can't take the defeat ect, why some people are treating this differently I don't know. Fair enough it might show passion, or it might be because it's a bigger match, but he can f**k off, it's a mans game.

[Scotty Tunbridge]

the_saints_are_coming, on May 31 2008, 16:59, said:

beckham captaining England against tandt. publicity stunt for Mclaren to strip him off it in the first place imo and he fully deserves another whack at it( whether it be for one game or on a permanant basis). while he will no doubt split opinions on this forum i find him to be a genuine, nice guy and someone players such as Terry should take note of on how to handle themselves on the pitch.

He choose to give it up after the world cup.

[the_saints_are_coming]

Scotty Tunbridge, on May 31 2008, 18:17, said:

He choose to give it up after the world cup.

was sure you were wrong so googled it and it turns out you were right. my memory is shocking.

[Scotty Tunbridge]

the_saints_are_coming, on May 31 2008, 18:32, said:

was sure you were wrong so googled it and it turns out you were right. my memory is shocking.

I am never wrong my friend

Follow me and youll never be either

[the_saints_are_coming]

Scotty Tunbridge, on May 31 2008, 18:39, said:

I am never wrong my friend

Follow me and youll never be either

you'll

[7-2]

berwick-the- unbeatable, on May 31 2008, 17:38, said:

People abused Gallas for greeting, saying he shouldn't be captain if you can't take the defeat ect, why some people are treating this differently I don't know.

They mainly slagged Gallas for going in a huff at Birmingham and sitting on the pitch with his back to the goal when Birmingham equalised with a penalty.

Terry's still a total twat though.

[dogma]

If nothing else it shows the power of marketing these days when people still try to punt Beckam as being a 'world class'player. Its the same league that Kenny Deuchar and Tam McManus are shining in ffs

Against USA the players he hit most with his 60 yard diagonal Hollywood passes were the USA centre halfs. Cos he hits an England player who scores off the 18th attempted pass, then he is lauded as a great set piece genius but in truth he hasnt played 3 decent games in a row since leaving Man U. Ferguson took the money from selling him and bought 2 duffers..and Ronaldo. Best bit of business since the guy who made CATS EYES for the roads. England sacrificed the last two tourneys that they played in to indulge him and huis media hungry wife and if they arent careful they will miss another tourney.

TBF I saw a lot of people sayign he 'deserves' his 100th cap cos he gives his all for England.......bollox you find me one single pub player who wouldnt give his 'all' for 10 seconds at Wembley in the shirt. Truth is he was happy to participate in off field marketing campaigns instead of focusing on the real job at hand. Thats why he is playing against Deuchar and McManus instead of Milan, Madrid and Man U

This post has been edited by dogma: 31 May 2008 - 22:34

[Supras]

dogma, on May 31 2008, 23:30, said:

If nothing else it shows the power of marketing these days when people still try to punt Beckam as being a 'world class'player. Its the same league that Kenny Deuchar and Tam McManus are shining in ffs

Against USA the players he hit most with his 60 yard diagonal Hollywood passes were the USA centre halfs. Cos he hits an England player who scores off the 18th attempted pass, then he is lauded as a great set piece genius but in truth he hasnt played 3 decent games in a row since leaving Man U. Ferguson took the money from selling him and bought 2 duffers..and Ronaldo. Best bit of business since the guy who made CATS EYES for the roads. England sacrificed the last two tourneys that they played in to indulge him and huis media hungry wife and if they arent careful they will miss another tourney.

TBF I saw a lot of people sayign he 'deserves' his 100th cap cos he gives his all for England.......bollox you find me one single pub player who wouldnt give his 'all' for 10 seconds at Wembley in the shirt. Truth is he was happy to participate in off field marketing campaigns instead of focusing on the real job at hand. Thats why he is playing against Deuchar and McManus instead of Milan, Madrid and Man U

I never rated beckham much to be honest. To me he was a midfielder who couldn't header, run, tackle, use his left foot or score that often.

For his 100th cap he stayed stationary, never got involved in 50-50s, and poor wes brown had to do twice the running. Despite one excellent cross he done nothing, much like Ryan McCay for St Mirren. Yes I compared beckham to ryan mccay.

Despite his obvious dead ball skills, Beckham should not in any way be involved in the World Cup campaign. If he is, it will show a massive charecter weakness in capello and we will go back to the shite england we always loved.

[dogma]

Supras, on May 31 2008, 23:49, said:

I never rated beckham much to be honest. To me he was a midfielder who couldn't header, run, tackle, use his left foot or score that often.

For his 100th cap he stayed stationary, never got involved in 50-50s, and poor wes brown had to do twice the running. Despite one excellent cross he done nothing, much like Ryan McCay for St Mirren. Yes I compared beckham to ryan mccay.

Despite his obvious dead ball skills, Beckham should not in any way be involved in the World Cup campaign. If he is, it will show a massive charecter weakness in capello and we will go back to the shite england we always loved.

You are entirely correct

[7-2]

dogma, on May 31 2008, 23:30, said:

Against USA the players he hit most with his 60 yard diagonal Hollywood passes were the USA centre halfs. Cos he hits an England player who scores off the 18th attempted pass, then he is lauded as a great set piece genius

It was the same for the 'legendary' free kick he scored against Greece at OT to get England their 2-2 draw.

The media conveniently never mention that he had missed something like 6 or 7 other attempts to score from free kicks before that one. Englands main tactic was a punt up to Shearer who dived at the edge of the box to get the kicks.

Id have loved to have seen him stuck on 99 caps. It would have been just reward for his boasting about deliberately getting himself booked in one qualifying game so that he missed a meaningless game to avoid a possible future suspension for the bigger games to come!

[djn]

Beckham is like one of those "specialist" players you bring on in Subbutteo to take a set piece, but sits on the sideline for the rest of the game gathering dust.

At least McLaren had the balls to drop him (briefly), before the media got their way and he returned. What does David Bently have to do?

[Supras]

7-2, on May 31 2008, 23:57, said:

It was the same for the 'legendary' free kick he scored against Greece at OT to get England their 2-2 draw.

The media conveniently never mention that he had missed something like 6 or 7 other attempts to score from free kicks before that one. Englands main tactic was a punt up to Shearer who dived at the edge of the box to get the kicks.

Id have loved to have seen him stuck on 99 caps. It would have been just reward for his boasting about deliberately getting himself booked in one qualifying game so that he missed a meaningless game to avoid a possible future suspension for the bigger games to come!

Totally agree, the entire game the ref was giving England free kicks, it was like Celtic against St Mirree. The fact that he missed so many in similar positions is never mentioned, only that it got England to the World Cup. Where they did ever so well in the group stages, (where the second best team was Sweden). And who could forget the magnificent victory against ecuador in the second round.

[dubs]

Football Traffic, on Jun 1 2008, 09:34, said:

What does David Bently have to do?

Become good?

Learn how to cross?

Report for Under-21 duty when called upon?

I don't think there is a better right mid than David Beckham who qualifies for England at the moment, he may be playing in a diddy league but you saw the other night his delivery from wide areas is awesome. Capello isn't exactly one for sentiment and he wouldn't be playing the guy on that basis. I'm sure you all think you know better than him but trust me, you don't.

I think the proof in the pudding was when he was dropped at Real, eventually he got back in the team and played a huge part in them winning La Liga. Real then did their utmost to make him change his mind on the Galaxy deal - they'd hardly do that if the guy was useless, would they?

[the_saints_are_coming]

dogma, on May 31 2008, 23:30, said:

If nothing else it shows the power of marketing these days when people still try to punt Beckam as being a 'world class'player. Its the same league that Kenny Deuchar and Tam McManus are shining in ffs

Against USA the players he hit most with his 60 yard diagonal Hollywood passes were the USA centre halfs. Cos he hits an England player who scores off the 18th attempted pass, then he is lauded as a great set piece genius but in truth he hasnt played 3 decent games in a row since leaving Man U. Ferguson took the money from selling him and bought 2 duffers..and Ronaldo. Best bit of business since the guy who made CATS EYES for the roads. England sacrificed the last two tourneys that they played in to indulge him and huis media hungry wife and if they arent careful they will miss another tourney.

TBF I saw a lot of people sayign he 'deserves' his 100th cap cos he gives his all for England.......bollox you find me one single pub player who wouldnt give his 'all' for 10 seconds at Wembley in the shirt. Truth is he was happy to participate in off field marketing campaigns instead of focusing on the real job at hand. Thats why he is playing against Deuchar and McManus instead of Milan, Madrid and Man U

Complete bollocks. For a start England got to the quarter finals of the last two tournaments, about their natural level, with beckham playing well in both. If a scapegoat is needed he should be the last player to be blamed. Look at the campaign just gone by where he was dropped for the majority of the games and low and behold England failed to qualify. To say he hasn't played three good games in a row sinse leaving man united is a load of shite aswell. This is the same David Beckham who was far and away Real Madrids best player in the second half of his last season with Madrid. As Dubya said if he was not performing would Real Madrid try as hard as they did to get him to stay?

Supras, on May 31 2008, 23:49, said:

I never rated beckham much to be honest. To me he was a midfielder who couldn't header, run, tackle, use his left foot or score that often.

For his 100th cap he stayed stationary, never got involved in 50-50s, and poor wes brown had to do twice the running. Despite one excellent cross he done nothing, much like Ryan McCay for St Mirren. Yes I compared beckham to ryan mccay.

Despite his obvious dead ball skills, Beckham should not in any way be involved in the World Cup campaign. If he is, it will show a massive charecter weakness in capello and we will go back to the shite england we always loved.

You have proved time and time again that you are absolutely clueless. For a start a wingers job does not naturally involve heading and tackling( although it is a bonus if they can do this) and Beckham has never had pace, so therefore your saying you feel he has always been shite? Even when he was one of Man Uniteds best players in the treble winning season?
I genuinely hope Capello feels the same as you, although i doubt he will, as an English team with beckham will be in with more chance of winning a major tournament than one without.

[Supras]

the_saints_are_coming, on Jun 1 2008, 12:08, said:

Complete bollocks. For a start England got to the quarter finals of the last two tournaments, about their natural level, with beckham playing well in both. If a scapegoat is needed he should be the last player to be blamed. Look at the campaign just gone by where he was dropped for the majority of the games and low and behold England failed to qualify. To say he hasn't played three good games in a row sinse leaving man united is a load of shite aswell. This is the same David Beckham who was far and away Real Madrids best player in the second half of his last season with Madrid. As Dubya said if he was not performing would Real Madrid try as hard as they did to get him to stay?



You have proved time and time again that you are absolutely clueless. For a start a wingers job does not naturally involve heading and tackling( although it is a bonus if they can do this) and Beckham has never had pace, so therefore your saying you feel he has always been shite? Even when he was one of Man Uniteds best players in the treble winning season?
I genuinely hope Capello feels the same as you, although i doubt he will, as an English team with beckham will be in with more chance of winning a major tournament than one without.

But you agree, he can't run, hit the ball with his left, tackle, header or score many goals. What he can do is actually very limited, it was him wimping out of a tackle that led to the goal that put England out of World Cup 2002.
And to suggest he was Real's best player is simply rubbish.

[the_saints_are_coming]

Supras, on Jun 1 2008, 12:27, said:

But you agree, he can't run, hit the ball with his left, tackle, header or score many goals. What he can do is actually very limited, it was him wimping out of a tackle that led to the goal that put England out of World Cup 2002.
And to suggest he was Real's best player is simply rubbish.

no i don't agree with that. he isn't a cripple so therefore he can run. You don't have to be linford christie to play football. For man united he scored in about every fourth game not bad for a winger. he also scored in every eighth game for real madird and about every sixth game for England. so to say he doesn't score many again is wrong. And i disagree with most of the things you said he cannot do.
I can't remember the lead up to Ronaldinhos free kick but how can he be at blame for that when the free kick was given away away out on the touchline.
How is it rubbish? He was, for that six months, Madrids best player.

[Supras]

the_saints_are_coming, on Jun 1 2008, 12:43, said:

no i don't agree with that. he isn't a cripple so therefore he can run. You don't have to be linford christie to play football. For man united he scored in about every fourth game not bad for a winger. he also scored in every eighth game for real madird and about every sixth game for England. so to say he doesn't score many again is wrong. And i disagree with most of the things you said he cannot do.
I can't remember the lead up to Ronaldinhos free kick but how can he be at blame for that when the free kick was given away away out on the touchline.
How is it rubbish? He was, for that six months, Madrids best player.

My apologies, he cannot run very fast and that is a very important charecterisitc of a good winger.

I'm not going to check your statistics but they sound like something you would make up on the spot, could be wrong however.

So you think beckham can hit with his left foot, how many goals has he got with it, how many assits? How many headers has he scored/won in his career, how many tackles has he completed. Don't take my word for it, my assesment is the same as George Best's assesment.

Now that I think of it, I think it was in the Portugal game he needlessly wimped out a tackle that led directly to a goal.

Obviously I disagree, according to many real fans he was never their best player.

Beckham is a nancy boy, a two trick pony, and about him being a "great guy" did anyone see him squaring up to someone in the MLS for daring to tackle him?

This post has been edited by Supras: 01 June 2008 - 12:58

[dubs]

Supras, on Jun 1 2008, 13:55, said:

My apologies, he cannot run very fast and that is a very important charecterisitc of a good winger.

I'm not going to check your statistics but they sound like something you would make up on the spot, could be wrong however.

So you think beckham can hit with his left foot, how many goals has he got with it, how many assits? How many headers has he scored/won in his career, how many tackles has he completed. Don't take my word for it, my assesment mirrors is the same as George Best's assesment.

Now that I think of it, I think it was in the Portugal game he needlessly wimped out a tackle that led directly to a goal.

Obviously I disagree, according to many real fans he was never their best player.

Beckham is a nancy boy, a two trick pony, and about him being a "great guy" did anyone see him squaring up to someone in the MLS for daring to tackle him?

You sound like you're fucking jealous of him to be honest, the guy was a great player in his day, ok hes not world class anymore but you seem to be clutching at straws - since when did a winger have to score headers and tackle?

Get a grip.

[Supras]

dubya, on Jun 1 2008, 13:58, said:

You sound like you're fucking jealous of him to be honest, the guy was a great player in his day, ok hes not world class anymore but you seem to be clutching at straws - since when did a winger have to score headers and tackle?

Get a grip.

Ronaldo has scored plenty of headers.

I don't think Beckham was ever the "great" he was often potrayed to be.

And most wingers run fast, something beckham could never achieve.

[st jjp]

People slating Beckham haven't got a clue about football.

If you watch the job he does on the pitch then, on his day he was a fantastic player. Why try to run past full backs when you can pass the ball past them like he can? He isn't the best going back but he is very rarely found out of position.

He is a winner on the pitch and an inspiration to others around him.

Anyone who can't see this is blinkered at the very least.

Sounds like a bit of the green eyed monster coming out in some posters

[Supras]

st jjp, on Jun 1 2008, 14:05, said:

People slating Beckham haven't got a clue about football.

If you watch the job he does on the pitch then, on his day he was a fantastic player. Why try to run past full backs when you can pass the ball past them like he can? He isn't the best going back but he is very rarely found out of position.

He is a winner on the pitch and an inspiration to others around him.

Anyone who can't see this is blinkered at the very least.

Sounds like a bit of the green eyed monster coming out in some posters

Certainly I would love to get paid millions to stand stationery on a pitch.

And about the cliched he is a "real winner on the pitch" what utter balls.

Ronaldo is better than beckham has ever been.