[LOL @ Celtic]

Monkey, on May 17 2008, 10:16, said:

And I suppose the holocaust never happened either, and Hitler was just misunderstood.

Hawd the boat, that is the most retarded post on here

[kilbowie2002]

1% of the support being trouble makers is still around 1000 people or 2000 people depending on who's take of how many rangers fans were there, no excuses thats a shocking number.

[Monkey]

IXI THE ONE IXI, on May 17 2008, 11:36, said:

Hawd the boat, that is the most retarded post on here

Retard/Retarded both seem to be favourite words you like to use.

Do you here them often from your consultant at the hospital?

[LOL @ Celtic]

Monkey, on May 17 2008, 10:59, said:

Retard/Retarded both seem to be favourite words you like to use.

Do you here them often from your consultant at the hospital?

Look up 'Godwin's Law'

[armchair footsoldier]

the riots were caused by neds who, because of bail conditions etc, are not allowed out of the country. Which is why you didn't see the same at other away games.

[armchair footsoldier]

hiya by the way

[7-2]

1001001, on May 17 2008, 03:43, said:

But thats the whole point. Your concept of normal behaviour is not shared by the real world. What is normal to the avarage rangers fan is criminal to the rest of society. You think that because you personally weren't fighting with the police makes you all innocent. NO. 100,000 drunks showed up in Manchester and........... you did what you do.

Totally agree, but trying to have a sensible debate with these brain dead, blinkered scum is just a waste of time.

[glasnost]

We must face Ranger's problem fans

If all of Scotland is not to suffer, we need to admit that Rangers have a specific problem

It wasn't a minority of Rangers fans who trashed Manchester last week. It was the jocks, the Scots, the “Glaswegian scum.” That is the view of many people who witnessed the thuggery at first hand.

Let's be honest: this is a public relations disaster for our country and its biggest city. The politicians and journalists who blamed the authorities, the police and some “isolated trouble-makers” should consider that.

If all of Scotland is not to suffer, they need to admit that Rangers have a specific problem and the dreadful scenes were not entirely unexpected. If it's a minority, it's a significant one that reflects the general scent of sectarian nastiness that clings to the club, despite the best efforts of its chairman, directors and decent supporters.

This is a Rangers problem, not a Scottish problem, nor even an Old Firm problem. The Tartan Army has built a global reputation for its sense of fair play and fun. Five years ago, 80,000 Celtic fans went without tickets to Seville, a far smaller city than Manchester. They left with an open letter of thanks from the mayor and later collected a good behaviour award from Fifa.

These are mere technicalities to many of the 314 readers who posted comments on the Manchester Evening News website, deploring not just the rioters, but the “drunken Scots” generally. Vanessa was one contributor who felt intimidated as she walked home through a city centre strewn with cans and faeces because public transport was cancelled. She wrote: “I heard people singing ‘Manchester is a shit-hole'. Maybe, but it wasn't before you lot came, so please go back to Glasgow.”

Another anticipated the violence during his commute to work on Wednesday morning, thanks to “The sight of car after car-load of jolly Scots parked on the hard shoulder of the M61, breakfasting on Tennents lager and urinating in the bushes.”

Many residents saw it as yet another example of the deterioration in Anglo-Scots relations. “All we needed was Mel Gibson in front shouting ‘Freedom!' and this mob would be marching to Derby,” said one. The wearing of Union Jack hats by the invaders must have made it all the more confusing for the beleaguered Mancunians. Still, the fault was laid at Holyrood's door: “When will the Scottish parliament pay for the clean-up of their filth? When will they apologise to Manchester?” asked one reader.

Such views will not be confined to Lancashire. Scenes of wobbly-bellied, snarling Scots stamping on a policeman's head were beamed around the world on the BBC and Yahoo news websites and Sky TV, while Radio Five Live broadcast eyewitness accounts of the mayhem through the night.

One man who clearly didn't pay much attention to the coverage, perhaps because he withdrew from the world in disappointment after the defeat, was Murdo Fraser, deputy leader of the Conservative group in Holyrood. Fraser is best known as a hang 'em and flog 'em Tory of the old school despite his relative youth, but for a moment he appeared to defect to the Socialist Workers party. The fascist pigs were to blame, apparently: “There are serious questions to be asked in terms of policing - if there was an overreaction in deploying riot police which could have inflamed the situation.”

Fraser later tempered these comments when faced with the CCTV images of fans kicking PC Mick Regan after he fell while attempting to escape a shower of missiles. Fraser should not have needed this evidence, but he was not alone in denial. Stephen Smith of the Rangers Supporters Trust condemned the loutish behaviour as “utterly inexcusable” and the work of a tiny minority. But he couldn't resist a dig at rivals when he said that, if identified, Rangers would take action - “unlike other clubs who have failed to punish their fans for their bad behavior”. Attack is the best form of defence, but this was inappropriate and poorly timed, particularly as Smith also condemned the “heavy-handed police tactics”.

He is at least representative. Acres of newsprint and vast expanses of cyberspace last week were taken up by Rangers fans blaming the police for the violence and Manchester for being “unprepared” for the invasion. Less sympathy was expressed for the 15 injured officers or the stabbed Zenit fan. Instead of blaming everyone else, we should admit there is a problem within the Rangers support, some of whom - like those England fans of yore - have a master-race mentality. That is why the club was censured by Uefa for violence at Villarreal two years ago. That is why Spanish riot police charged at their supporters in Pamplona last year. Heavy-handedness was also blamed then. It is time for the majority of fans we are told are honourable to learn from the tartan army and adopt selfpolicing. Any supporter who steps out of line - and that includes sectarian chanting - should be challenged immediately by others in order to uphold the reputation of the group.

The really sad thing is that, for once, Rangers had most of the nation behind them. The colourful, carnival atmosphere in both Glasgow and Manchester suggested a corner had been turned. This is a team whose supporters sing a song about how everybody hates us but we don't care. Perhaps not everybody in Scotland loved them unreservedly last week, but most wished them well.

When my own little girl declared that she was supporting Rangers because they were the Scottish team, I encouraged her. I was moved by a radio interview with a very emotional Ally McCoist ahead of the game. The Rangers assistant manager, who was speaking to an equally choked Chick Young, talked with the simple honesty of a small boy about his late father, who could not share the moment with him.

McCoist, like his boss Walter Smith, is a fantastic ambassador for the Scottish game. He made me forget that time a bunch of Rangers fans started shouting the C-word at my then eight-year-old daughter because they recognised her father, a well-known musician with an Irish Catholic name. I even forgot, temporarily, the more recent incident when Rangers fans tried to derail the underground train on which I was travelling, bouncing rhythmically to chants about Fenian scum.

I was one of many Scots who set aside old divisions and rooted for Rangers last Wednesday. Our goodwill was abused. Now we are all tarnished by the same filth that littered the streets of Manchester.

joan.mcalpine@sunday-times.co.uk

This post has been edited by glasnost: 18 May 2008 - 05:24

[stevenston saint]

The prurist, on May 18 2008, 10:14, said:

Great post and straight to the point
You seem like a fair and well balenced person which is strange for here

Yes,thats why you are on.

[stevenston saint]

The prurist, on May 18 2008, 10:37, said:

O you again the poof that got me kicked off the last time
you faggots dont mind being bitchy but a soon as someone cottons on that you are a queer you complain about being abused
you brown nose bum sniffer

Wrong person ...............trumpet.

Although thanks for admitting you are an alias.

[stevenston saint]

The prurist, on May 18 2008, 10:43, said:

Right person ....................... cocksucker

you better believe I am a alias did you think that was my real name
s

Oh, you bitch

[guacamole]

The prurist, on May 18 2008, 11:06, said:

infiltraitors

If I thought for a second you meant that, that would be really funny.

[stevenston saint]

The prurist, on May 18 2008, 10:51, said:

Your photo says it all does it not
nuff said

A St Andrew's cross.Yes it does.

Your posts say a lot about you. B)