[diamonds2002]

deky, on May 15 2008, 09:52, said:

Thought it might

I went down and started all the bother

From what I have heard the huns are now trying to pin it on Man Utd casuals

[Colin M]

glasnost, on May 15 2008, 10:02, said:

I am sure UEFA, thanks to Celtic fans being impecabbly behaved in 2003, won't punish all Scottish clubs if punishment is the route they are going to go down.

Yes, it'll all be thanks to Celtic, and in no way thanks to the reputation of Scotland fans in general.

[glasnost]

Colin M, on May 15 2008, 10:12, said:

Yes, it'll all be thanks to Celtic, and in no way thanks to the reputation of Scotland fans in general.

I am not saying that. We should be expecting fans to go anywhere and behave - doing so is nothing out of the ordinary. The impression we made in 2003 in the same final with a similar amount of fans there however will surely remain in the minds of UEFA and come into play if punishment is being dished out. Well at least we should all hope so.

[xbl]

glasnost, on May 15 2008, 10:16, said:

I am not saying that. We should be expecting fans to go anywhere and behave - doing so is nothing out of the ordinary. The impression we made in 2003 in the same final with a similar amount of fans there however will surely remain in the minds of UEFA and come into play if punishment is being dished out. Well at least we should all hope so.

"Similar"?

They seem to have put the estimates at 200,000 now. Somewhat more than Celtic took, which is unsurprising given that they didnt have to go abroad and it was just a couple hours down the road.

[Colin M]

glasnost, on May 15 2008, 10:16, said:

I am not saying that. We should be expecting fans to go anywhere and behave - doing so is nothing out of the ordinary. The impression we made in 2003 in the same final with a similar amount of fans there however will surely remain in the minds of UEFA and come into play if punishment is being dished out. Well at least we should all hope so.

It will certainly be a factor, that much I agree. As will the awards that Scotland fans have won and the impression that they continue to leave when travelling in large numbers around Europe.

What happened last night was not about the Old Firm, it was not about Scottish fans and Scottish football in general - it was about Rangers. They buck the trend where clubs from this country are concerned.

[glasnost]

Colin M, on May 15 2008, 10:22, said:

What happened last night was not about the Old Firm, it was not about Scottish fans and Scottish football in general - it was about Rangers. They buck the trend where clubs from this country are concerned.

Yes, I know it's about the huns and only them. I was making my response in mind of others suggesting that the whole of Scotland may suffer due to their inability to behave.

[glasnost]

The Gray Ghost, on May 15 2008, 10:21, said:

"Similar"?

They seem to have put the estimates at 200,000 now. Somewhat more than Celtic took, which is unsurprising given that they didnt have to go abroad and it was just a couple hours down the road.

The Manchester calculator?

[H_B]

glasnost, on May 15 2008, 10:25, said:

Yes, I know it's about the huns and only them. I was making my response in mind of others suggesting that the whole of Scotland may suffer due to their inability to behave.

Thankfully after the response to Hysel, the authorities seem to have moved from tarring all clubs under a nation with the behaviour of one set of supporters.

[xbl]

glasnost, on May 15 2008, 10:25, said:

The Manchester calculator?

It appears to be the news! Just to clarify, Im not saying Celtic fans were trouble or anything like that, but with the final in Seville, it wasnt quite as easy to get to. It appears that every Rangers fan and his dog went to Manchester last night. Therefore I think their knuckledragger quotient was far, far higher than it would otherwise have been.

It'll be interesting to hear what Rangers official response to this is.

[H_B]

The Gray Ghost, on May 15 2008, 10:28, said:

It'll be interesting to hear what Rangers official response to this is.

No.

No, it won't.

[glasnost]

The Gray Ghost, on May 15 2008, 10:28, said:

It appears to be the news! Just to clarify, Im not saying Celtic fans were trouble or anything like that, but with the final in Seville, it wasnt quite as easy to get to.

I think with 80-100,000 Celtic fans in Seville, we can still make valid comparisons.

[MarreZ]

From Follow Follow (post was apparently removed by a moderator)

Just back from the game and I am afraid to say a portion of our travelling
support have let us and the club down badly.

We had to cut through Piccadilly Gardens to get to the car, only to be
warned off by a few lads saying "Dont take him (Doc Jr) down there, its
kicked off, they are throwing bottles at our own, just terrible". Now the
lad was in tears, but I thought just a bit worse for drink and was being a
bit OTT with what was happening. Just to be safe we walked over a street
and cut down that way instead,

What happened next will live with me forever. I wont go into details, but I
am afraid when I have to cover my son with my body to stop bottles and
glasses from hitting him that were being thrown by our own so called
support is the day I think I call it a day. Thanks to the two bears that
helped me cover my son, and also helped us run to safety when there was a
lull. Other folk were not so lucky.

Forget the game, in fact we can probably forget Europe for a while because
we probably wont be allowed back into it for a a few years.

I am sitting here f*cking ashamed."



From doctors.net

My better half working at NMGH tonight. apparently someone has been raped
outside the hospital, the MRI is full, diverting ambulances and NMGH is
starting to receive trauma. I'm on annual leave - don't know whether to
volunteer or not. I've not sutured in 3 years, no A&E but I'm PACES
positive and could be a surgical HO."

"At times like this I really don't envy my friends who live in the city
centre. Or my other friend who is the landlord of Knott bar on Denesgate.

I changed my mind and didn't go in earlier as I heard that a lass walking
through Piccadilly Gardens got hassled as she didn't want to dance with 15
Scots, and another one got a free beer shower.

Is it worth the reported £20 million to the city? At the moment I think
not."

also reports of paramedics and nursing staff being attacked in Manchester
hospital Casualty departments

[glasnost]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:41, said:

it's a very valid comparison and is the final nail in the Hun coffin.....it's about time the clubs said they just don't want their fans travelling and banned them.

By clubs I assume you just mean the huns?

Regardless, how do you propose a football club stops their supporters from travelling abroad?

[H_B]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:41, said:

all this from the arsehole who freely admits to carrying a blade whilst out drinking..."just in case"...the self same excuse every scumbag caught with a knife ever makes.

Seriously?

[xbl]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:41, said:

it's a very valid comparison and is the final nail in the Hun coffin.....it's about time the clubs said they just don't want their fans travelling and banned them.

Yes, if you had been in charge of Rangers, what would you have done to stop Rangers fans travelling down to Manchester?

[xbl]

H_B, on May 15 2008, 10:47, said:

Seriously?

Its as believeably as anything else he ever says.

[H_B]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:41, said:

there has to be a time when they are finally treated like the mass pariah they are.

I think only a lengthy European ban can do this.

We have seen that the threat of losing league points has cut down on the sectarian singing.

Perhaps the knowledge that these midweek trips to Europe won't be happening for 5 years will be enough of an incentive for the scum to be weeded out and the behaviour toned down.

I suspect not however, because the behaviour of the Rangers fanbase is ingrained into the whole fabric of the hateful organisation they follow follow.

[xbl]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:51, said:

seriously....it's been mentioned a few times and he sees no problem with it...it's just a penknife on a key ring...but it's in his hand when walking home from the poub...just in case ....
He's an idiot.

Im so glad that my posts make such an impact on you! You'll also see in the same post where I realised that if any trouble did kick off, then I would instead use my car key rather than the nail file on my keyring. But then again, that wouldnt suit your agenda.

[xbl]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:55, said:

right so you openly admit to being prepared to using a weapon to stab someone...there is no confirmation the russian got stabbed with a knife and the wee guy who was killed in england was stabbed with a shard of glass.

Yawn, all you seem to do on this site is follow me around and post abuse. Yawn. When have I ever given you any personal abuse? What would you do if you were attacked randomly on the street? Curl up into a ball and hope for the best?

[xbl]

Ron Burgundy, on May 15 2008, 10:53, said:

You give people a chance to act like rational human beings and punish them when they veer from respectable behaviour....now is the time...they have had many chances...no more.....

So again, if you were David Murray and in charge of Rangers, what would you have done to stop these people travelling?

[Adolfo Rios]

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/ 2008/05...0765012902.html

More pics from last night.