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Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:12, said:

I used the metaphor of two sisters playing bingo and promising to split any winnings with each other. One sister wins two grand and shares it then the other sister wins the big 1 mllion national and then decides she's want it for herself and her family.


It's a disgusting proposition and I would have much more respect for Salmond if he said "f**k it..we don't need the fucking oil ...lets go for it ya heart diseased b*****ds!!!"

But oh no he would need that initial boost to ensure his fat legacy as the modern saviour of scotland so that he can be sure oil painting s of his fat face will hang in the galleries in edinburgh..in fact I would not be surprised to find out there is a painting of him being done now in preperation.

Yes, but when does Salmond ever talk about oil? I havent heard it anywhere? Also, if England are entitled to a share of the oil money, does that mean that we are entitled to a share of the English tourism industry profits? Does your sharing caring attitude extend further, so that we have to share whisky profits, in exchange for getting a bit of the English mining money?

Plus your claim of court cases dragging on for decades is absurd. If other countries (already discussed) can manage it, why cant we?

Edited to re-emphasise the bit about Salmond, I havent heard him or anyone else in the SNP government talking about oil in ages...perhaps you have?

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[Broccoli Dog]

england are entitled to a share of the north sea oil revenues.

they're entitled to the 20% or so that is in their territorial waters.

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Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:23, said:

When does Salmond talk about oil....please ...... it's his flagship policy.

You still havent actually quoted Salmond, you pulled out an undated, unsourced article that doesnt even mention Salmond.

Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:23, said:

We already do benefit from the wealth of the UK silly billy.

We are part of the 4th largest economy by wealth and sixth largest by gdp.

You know fine well that we are talking about if one of England or Scotland declared independence. If an independent England is entitled to the natural resources found in Scottish waters, then are we not entitled to claim a share of the profits England makes from its own natural resources. What you've done here is what bloobell calls "whataboutery".

Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:23, said:

I'm still confused about what countries have manages IT and what IT is.

Doesnt deserve a reply.

Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:23, said:

deary me that took approximately 10 seconds

Source, date, speaker?

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Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:37, said:

so your saying Mr Salmond is somehow unaware that his manifesto makes constat mention of Scotlands oil

Constant mention? Evidently it is mentioned on the website, but its hardly plastered everywhere, and again, you never said anything about the SNP originally. You have been harping on about Salmond harping on about oil. Again, I will say that I cant remember the last time Salmond said anything about oil.

Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:37, said:

England has never requested total control of shared resources as part of an independence settlement so i've nae idea what your whitering on about.

Apart from oil presumably? Why are you so obsessed with oil then? Nobody else is. Give it up man, its running out, are you the only person who can't see this?

Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 16:37, said:

It does deserve a reply as this IT should be the cornerstone of the reasoning behind all this turmoil. As i've said ad nauseum it's about one mans vanity. Funny how folk are willing to accept Blairs ridiculous Iraq sham was about his place in history yet not willing to accept salmonds sham is about his place in history.

You asked me what "it" was, and now you've just shown that you knew fine well what "it" was. So why did you bother to ask?

[jester]

Scotlands biggest selling newspaper, the Daily Record spends 4 years telling us how BRILLIANT everything is in Scotland, how clever we are, how we invented EVERYTHING, then in the year prior to an election tells us we are too small, not clever enough, not good enough to go go it alone. If a large amount of people get their news from that paper is it any wonder they are confused?

Anyway, the point is moot. In ten years we will be governed by Tesco.

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[kilbowie2002]

The media has created an inferiority complex, I dont think we are too stupid etc to self govern, however i just feel that being too insular will cause us harm, we should instead be reaching out to Europe. On another note, am I the only person who thinks that England will just cut us loose once the Oil runs out? I mean what else do we give them?

[Michael W]

Ron Burgundy, on Mar 31 2008, 17:48, said:

Your second statement is garbage. If true they would have cast off Northern Ireland years ago.

A fair point. I'd imagine the same could be said of Wales too.

[The Old Northerner]

Michael W, on Mar 31 2008, 17:59, said:

A fair point. I'd imagine the same could be said of Wales too.

Wales, until recently, had the huge coal and iron/steel works. The jingoist shout was 'the country that powers the Navy'. The UK has certainly benefited from Welsh inclusion.

[Michael W]

Von Eldritch, on Mar 31 2008, 18:01, said:

Wales, until recently, had the huge coal and iron/steel works. The jingoist shout was 'the country that powers the Navy'. The UK has certainly benefited from Welsh inclusion.

Cheers, pardon my ignorance on the subject.

As you say though, "until recently", does this mean that Wales isn't really contributing much anymore? If so, then I've not really heard many groans about Wales not paying it's pay, so I think it would be fair to assume that England wouldn't just cast off Scotland either.

[The Old Northerner]

Michael W, on Mar 31 2008, 18:04, said:

Cheers, pardon my ignorance on the subject.

As you say though, "until recently", does this mean that Wales isn't really contributing much anymore? If so, then I've not really heard many groans about Wales not paying it's pay, so I think it would be fair to assume that England wouldn't just cast off Scotland either.

It's a while since I visited the place (at the height of the recession - grim is not the word). There were the beginnings of inward investment from foreign companies (with favourable grants) but I'm not really sure how things are at the moment

[kilbowie2002]

I kinda understand your point Ron about the Northern Ireland thing, but there really is an attitude developing in England now which suggests i am right, increasing nationalism, looking for scapegoats in funding shortages so the Tories et al use us as an excuse.
The media makes you think that, best wee country malarky but the second the 'I' word is used, we are painted as inexperienced, incapable and incompetent. Its necessary to point out, where in History has a state had a trial run in being independent, what other founding fathers of any nation had all the experience, the USA for example, its founding fathers were idealistic etc but few had any real political founding and they managed to create an independent nation from nothing, we already have most of the infrastructure and many of the best political minds in the United Kingdom are Scottish, we have a great Civil service and our technological and scientific history is second to none. I would recommend Ron maybe even look at the wording of articles etc in certain pro labour papers, its very condescending but pitched in such a way that it slowly eats away at our insecurities(on the basis that if you are continually told your incapable of something you begin to believe it, this i believe is the case with the national media). I commend your ability to form your own opinion, however there are undeniably many millions of Scots who have simply been brainwashed by the media. Wether or not people agree with me that Scotland needs greater autonomy I would rather they reached what ever conclusion they did without being misinformed/brainwashed.