[djn]

Replicant, on Feb 14 2008, 18:46, said:

The Berwick of the Baltic

Oi! Stop making sensible / funny posts on a thread that's 99% fuckwittery

[centralparker]

An early mistake by Hitler was the failure to wade into the British troops who were stranded on the beach at Dunkirk. They were among the elite of our armed forces and the Germans really should have pressed on full steam ahead instead of holding back. That might have significantly altered the course of the war.

[yoda]

Well seeing as I'm studying Hitler's rise to power in History currently, my opinion on Hitler was an extremely clever person who, in some respects, must be admired. How he managed to captivate crowds with his charisma during political speeches is amazing. However a few of his right-wing ideas are extremely drastic (stating the obvious I know). The thing I most admire about him though was his ability to make his party look strong and disciplined in a time of great chaos in Germany.

[BasraTon]

centralparker, on Feb 14 2008, 20:37, said:

An early mistake by Hitler was the failure to wade into the British troops who were stranded on the beach at Dunkirk. They were among the elite of our armed forces and the Germans really should have pressed on full steam ahead instead of holding back. That might have significantly altered the course of the war.

The reason the Germans couldnt wade into the British Troops at Dunkirk was down to one reason only. The British Expeditionary Force sacrificed the whole of the 51st Highland Division to fight the rearguard action and eventually had to surrender but not before the majority managed to get off the beaches and back to Britain.

[Supras]

yoda, on Feb 14 2008, 20:53, said:

Well seeing as I'm studying Hitler's rise to power in History currently, my opinion on Hitler was an extremely clever person who, in some respects, must be admired. How he managed to captivate crowds with his charisma during political speeches is amazing. However a few of his right-wing ideas are extremely drastic (stating the obvious I know). The thing I most admire about him though was his ability to make his party look strong and disciplined in a time of great chaos in Germany.

Despite my earlier posts in this thread the rise of the nazi party was mainly due to Himmler, although hitler was a driving force with his speeches.

Mabye not clever, but very charismatic.

[MP_MFC]

Any plus points anyone cares to attribute to Hitler can be taken away by the fact he loved to be shat on.

Oh and that genocide thing.

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[Monster]

Supras, on Feb 15 2008, 00:22, said:

Despite my earlier posts in this thread the rise of the nazi party was mainly due to Himmler, although hitler was a driving force with his speeches.

Mabye not clever, but very charismatic.

[Ronaldo Jeremy]

yoda, on Feb 14 2008, 21:53, said:

Well seeing as I'm studying Hitler's rise to power in History currently, my opinion on Hitler was an extremely clever person who, in some respects, must be admired. How he managed to captivate crowds with his charisma during political speeches is amazing. However a few of his right-wing ideas are extremely drastic (stating the obvious I know). The thing I most admire about him though was his ability to make his party look strong and disciplined in a time of great chaos in Germany.

Supras, on Feb 15 2008, 01:22, said:

Despite my earlier posts in this thread the rise of the nazi party was mainly due to Himmler, although hitler was a driving force with his speeches.

Mabye not clever, but very charismatic.

You boys should meet up and form a wee club where you can discuss the leading Nazis that you admired.
Now you can see why they came to power with halfwits like you and your admiration!

[BerwickMad]

Ronaldo Jeremy, on Feb 15 2008, 10:22, said:

You boys should meet up and form a wee club where you can discuss the leading Nazis that you admired.
Now you can see why they came to power with halfwits like you and your admiration!

You can praise their leadership qualities without actually liking them. They were very evil men, but without having certain attributes they would never have got as far as they did. Your attitude is very immature.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Say one thing about him least the trains ran on time.

He had a vision of how the world should be and went out to achieve it. Fascism did do a lot of good for German and Italian Infrastructure. Its just a pity that ultimatly it was a slightly skewed vision….now if he had turned his attentions to those pesky Irabs instead of the Jews

[Ronaldo Jeremy]

BerwickMad, on Feb 15 2008, 11:27, said:

You can praise their leadership qualities without actually liking them. They were very evil men, but without having certain attributes they would never have got as far as they did. Your attitude is very immature.

What on earth does that mean? Without having 'certain attributes' no-one would get anywhere at anything.
Thanks for pointing out that they very evil men though. Genius.

[Monster]

Ronaldo Jeremy, on Feb 15 2008, 10:36, said:

What on earth does that mean? Without having 'certain attributes' no-one would get anywhere at anything.
Thanks for pointing out that they very evil men though. Genius.

Try to think laterally.

It is possible to admire excellence in any given field without actually approving or condoning the field of achievement.

It's not difficult.

[Gaz]

Hitler was a top guy. I think he should win a Nobel Prize for being, well, the Best Guy Ever.

[Monster]

Gaz, on Feb 15 2008, 10:51, said:

Hitler was a top guy. I think he should win a Nobel Prize for being, well, the Best Guy Ever.

I think you should be shot by firing squad because I don't like your nose.

[Gaz]

Monster, on Feb 15 2008, 10:53, said:

I think you should be shot by firing squad because I don't like your nose.

I don't like my nose either

[Larsson.]

Gold
Gold badges are very rare, and only awarded for really outstanding achievements.

If hitler was alive today bet he would have one!!

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[BerwickMad]

Ronaldo Jeremy, on Feb 15 2008, 10:36, said:

What on earth does that mean? Without having 'certain attributes' no-one would get anywhere at anything.
Thanks for pointing out that they very evil men though. Genius.

Germany was a well run country under Hitler. Im no expert, but from things ive heard at uni he performed miracles for the country pre-1939. Autobahns and stuff. He gained the trust of the German people who believed he (they) would keep performing miracles. He had charismatic authority which is a good leadership quality, whether he was evil or not.

[djn]

Shaggy Jenkins, on Feb 15 2008, 10:27, said:

Say one thing about him least the trains ran on time.

I know Musollini did, not sure about Hitler's attention to detail when it came to public transport (though he built a lot of fast roads).

Gaz, on Feb 15 2008, 10:51, said:

Hitler was a top guy. I think he should win a Nobel Prize for being, well, the Best Guy Ever.

And a speedboat from Bullseye?

[Lordofthewing]

Leaping Salmon, on Feb 15 2008, 13:43, said:

I know Musollini did, not sure about Hitler's attention to detail when it came to public transport (though he built a lot of fast roads).



And a speedboat from Bullseye?

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[Napoli1881]

After spending a long weekend in Berlin last month & doing the cultiural thing, I feel that Hitler & the Third Reich were an axis of evil.

However, there are some issues which the Nazi party tried to address which would have been successful if they hadn't been so over-zealous.

The social and economic reforms which they achieved in the 1930's to turn around a bankrupt country are well documented, but WW2 brought the country to it's knees again.

From a militartistic point of view, they were tactically sound - however made serious mistakes during the war which led to failure (not carrying out Operation Sealion and invading Britain in the Summer of 1940 and leaving their supply chain to troops serving on the Eastern front severly stretched.

However, the consentration camps and victimisation of people due to their religious, cultural or ethnic diversity & the mass internment of disabled people so they could form an Aryan Race is absolutely dispicable.

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[Pink Freud]

Monster, on Feb 15 2008, 10:49, said:

Try to think laterally.

It is possible to admire excellence in any given field without actually approving or condoning the field of achievement.

It's not difficult.

No. It's surely not possible to admire excellence in the field of mass murder? "Say whit ye like, but yon Charlie Manson could have their toes pointing north afore ye kid say helterskelter".

It's the thin end of the wedge. It's why no mark fuckers like Jimmy Boyle end up getting released early. He's a murderer, but a sensitive artistic soul who needs the chance to express his feminine side. Bollocks.

Hitler was a c**t, it doesn't matter whether he was smart or not. IN fact, it makes him even more despicable.

[FilthyMack]

Did have the right idea? Well he wore a lot of brown and grey which is quite safe and neutral, difficult to go wrong there.

[The Old Northerner]

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The social and economic reforms which they achieved in the 1930's to turn around a bankrupt country are well documented, but WW2 brought the country to it's knees again.

Well, losing it did Much of the reforms worked (and were paid for) because Hitler was using a war economy well before the start of hostilities. It required expansion (ie war) to pay for itself. Had he no such ideas about lebensraum then I doubt very much whether those large projects could have been started let alone completed