[Martin Prince]

BerwickMad, on Feb 16 2008, 11:27, said:

Not sure. I think he is going to be making a new website for video clips someone was saying so hopefully on there.

The Trust have registered www.berwickrangers.tv - it is a website which will point to a page on Youtube with lots of different Berwick clips. I'll let yous know when the talk-in footage is up.

[BerwickMad]

Martin Prince, on Feb 18 2008, 10:50, said:

There are two sides to this story, Gary's is very different.

True. I don't really have an opinion on it as I havent heard both sides. Just explaining what Renwick said.

I like Gary, but I have to say im pleased we have Logan in the sticks at the moment. He's a better keeper.

[marty_j]

Martin Prince, on Feb 18 2008, 10:50, said:

There are two sides to this story, Gary's is very different.

I bet it is. A good politician never lets facts get in the way of spin.

Will Gary make his side known after the testimonial?

[BerwickMad]

the length, on Feb 18 2008, 11:19, said:

All the turncoats will be on the 3rd div forum next season calling for his cantle!!!

I havent seen anyone saying he should be staying for ever no matter what the results. The opinion of giving him the summer and judging him next season is hardly an extreme one and would hardly make anyone a turncoat!

[BerwickMad]

the length, on Feb 18 2008, 11:40, said:

A lot of fans wouldnt even of given him the transfer window let alone next season given the dross that is being served up just now.

The gates are dropping, fans moral is dropping.

We have been here before ( Jimmy Thompson, Paul Smith ) and the fans soon find something better to do on a Saturday afternoon.

More cat results and Shielfield will be home to 250 tops again.

I agree, the performances and results are pathetic. At the moment however, I don't think anyone could come in and improve things. To be fair, who would want to? Sacking a rookie manager now, would do more harm for our reputation as a football club than good if we were to go hunting for a new manager.

Giving him some time is the only option at the moment, and I know this is me changing opinion since the 9-2 game. He has some good ideas and explained the problems, but results are the be all and end all and we have to start seeing some improvement towards the end of the season, because at the moment its getting worse.

[NELLY]

its a guarantee that his first "big" result will be when you play us. its a stick on.

welshy always comes across very well in the meet the manager meetings but its putting his plans into action that are sometimes a problem.

[boardroomshuffler]

Martin Prince, on Feb 18 2008, 10:50, said:

There are two sides to this story, Gary's is very different.

Really

[Stewie Griffin]

marty_j, on Feb 18 2008, 07:11, said:

Crap IMO. The thing is being a good public speaker and an all round nice guy (which I believe he is) does not make a good manager,

Indeed the television studios are full of guys who talk a good game and they virtually all have one thing in common - they were sacked for being failures. I mean Ian Dowie was sat in the Sky Studios yesterday days after being sacked and no doubt that prat Robson will have turned up by the end of the week to give us all his expert opinion on how to run a team.

[BerwickMad]

Its near imposible to get players you want into the club in January though as most people are under contract. I do think though that the playing squad he has at the moment is better than the results we are getting, which is the managers fault.

[berwick-the-unbeatable]

BerwickMad, on Feb 18 2008, 15:17, said:

Its near imposible to get players you want into the club in January though as most people are under contract. I do think though that the playing squad he has at the moment is better than the results we are getting, which is the managers fault.

Agreed. Its Coughlins fault for the team we have imo, but Renwicks for the results we're getting. Im not saying im now a big fan of Renwick, about 1 week ago i was raging with him, but i'm willing to give him a chance.

[Centre Stand Hero]

BerwickMad, on Feb 18 2008, 15:17, said:

Its near imposible to get players you want into the club in January though as most people are under contract. I do think though that the playing squad he has at the moment is better than the results we are getting, which is the managers fault.

You're right, the players are underperforming either because they can't be arsed anymore or from loss of confidence in their ability. I looked at the team sheet on saturday and thought that, that was the best team we've had out for a while, only to be disappointed with the performance again. It's down to Renwick to try to inspire the players into playing for the shirt again and to get some confidence back into them.

[BerwickMad]

Centre Stand Hero, on Feb 18 2008, 15:30, said:

You're right, the players are underperforming either because they can't be arsed anymore or from loss of confidence in their ability. I looked at the team sheet on saturday and thought that, that was the best team we've had out for a while, only to be disappointed with the performance again. It's down to Renwick to try to inspire the players into playing for the shirt again and to get some confidence back into them.

That about sums it up.

[Martin Prince]

BerwickMad, on Feb 18 2008, 15:32, said:

That about sums it up.

Agreed, good post.

[Neilly]

Please don't be reeled in by Renwick being a good talker it means absolute jack shit. Judge him on what's being produced on the park as I've heard manager after manager at our club being good at these king of sessions promising the world and delivering nothing.

I don't see how Coughlin is to blame either to be honest. He got you promoted on a shoe string and he nor anyone else would be able to keep Berwick in the second division with the resources at his disposal.

He is showing yet again with us what a good man manager he is. Basically the same set of players most of whom look fitter more determined players with no lack of skill after looking like passengers under Money

[Stewie Griffin]

Berwick till i die, on Feb 18 2008, 14:31, said:

and to top it off he has lost his best 2 players in January which was out of his hands with Swanson and Diack so I would like to see any manager cope with that.

Come next season when he's had a chance to put his own squad together and play the way he wants then judge him and if we're still struggling under Renwick in Divison 3 by christmas then do something about it but until then give him a chance to see what he can do.

How was Diack out of his hands? He was manager and Diack was on a contract, did he make him an offer for next season and did he inspire him with his vision for the club. I accept Brechin may have made a better offer but I'm not entirely convinced it was out of his hands.

So if we're bottom next Christmas or not in the running that will be fine and we can get rid of him, trying then to appoint a new manager when struggling in the third and with a team who are clearly not good enough for the third. I cannot see the logic in that.

I say give him to end of season and decide on results and performances over next 2 months.

[BerwickMad]

Stewie Griffin, on Feb 18 2008, 20:53, said:

How was Diack out of his hands? He was manager and Diack was on a contract, did he make him an offer for next season and did he inspire him with his vision for the club. I accept Brechin may have made a better offer but I'm not entirely convinced it was out of his hands.

Diack was offered over £250 a week at Brechin, plus other things. There was no way we were going to be able to keep hold of him.