[Hoochthedrummer]

it's taken a while to sink in...i can't believe we scored 4!!!! Great to see Stevie Craig on the score sheet again...it should give him a confidence boost to go score more goals. Repeat performance next week lads

p.s.
yorkston is a bawbag

[port-ton]

do you think the same way that teams who are promoted have a winning mentality do well in their first season in a higher league that because of dunfermline's losing mentality of last season that they just...dont know how to win? or is it just that without hammill and o'brien they would have been relegated far sooner?

[third lanark]

I am not a Dunfermline supporter obviously but what I really am finding a shame is that some of these chancing players really seem quite happy to get Kenny sacked. Kenny cannot be the terrible manager he is made out to be, his record with the Irish leagues and Dunfermline last year show that he cant be that bad. Yorkston is one of the these guys that has always flashed the cash surely it is time for him to fully back the Manager as Petrie did with Hibs and get rid of the chancers dragging the team down.

[The Number 78]

port-ton, on Nov 4 2007, 17:58, said:

do you think the same way that teams who are promoted have a winning mentality do well in their first season in a higher league that because of dunfermline's losing mentality of last season that they just...dont know how to win? or is it just that without hammill and o'brien they would have been relegated far sooner?

Spot on. We were honking right up until Hammill & O'Brien gave us a bit of a spark and quality in the midfield. That's the only reason we weren't relegated much earlier. He also made the mistake of renewing the contracts of players who the jury was very much out on rather than let them go and freshen up the squad with boys not tainted by the spectre of relegation.

[smoba]

Have read all the previous posts and would just like to add ...
It's a sad fall from grace for the Pars though.
From eurpean competition to the 2nd division ...
Haste ye back ...

[Larbert_Par]

Another humping. But as I enjoyed myself watching Everton yesterday, I didn't really give a toss. We are a shambles, I see no improvements in the forseeable future until the majority of the deadwood are punted.

I fully expected at best a draw, but to lose 4 goals is unacceptable. My mate who's a Livi fan said we were abysmal and had absolutely no heart. As I say, I wasn't there but I can see how that'd be true.

[Islay]

Larbert_Par, on Nov 4 2007, 23:36, said:

My mate who's a Livi fan said we were abysmal and had absolutely no heart.

That would be correct. Something I noticed is that most of the Livingston players are built like tanks, our players looked like weeds sprinkled with weed killer.

This post has been edited by Islay: 04 November 2007 - 23:55

[Dundee Par]

Another absolutely fucking joke of a "performance" yesterday. 1st half we at least competed but Livi should have been at least 2 up before they got their 1st with Craig missing sitters.

After the 1st goal went in though, it was the same old story. No fight, no shape, no tactics, no fucking desire to get back into the game.

I gave Kenny the benefit of the doubt up until the Hamilton game but we've been an absolute joke this season. The thing is the players we have can play well. They have done for us before. Wilson who was our player of the year last season seems to have become shite over the summer. Bamba is a walking disaster. The midfield create nothing for the attack, and provide no cover for the defence. They do absolutely f**k all. The strikers have been given no service whatsoever but don't do much else to try and create their own chances.

I'm seriously disillusioned with what's going on at the moment. Last year I'd have been fucking raging at the game yesterday, but I just sat there in disbelief while we were completely outplayed at home.

There needs to be either a complete clearout of the playing staff or a new management team that the players will perform for. I'd rather the former but this is likely to be the more expensive option, and we just can't afford it at the moment.

[Tonsilitis]

I wonder what the future holds for Dunfermline. They were one of the clubs that really overstretched themselves trying to compete with the old firm - paying more for wages alone - never mind any other overheads - than the clubs total income. They are still suffering from the legacy of that, even though they have changed their ways. Indeed they are rumoured to be still paying SPL wages to players who are regularly producing third division performances.

• They don't have the money to make wholesale changes because of the cost of terminating contracts
  
• They have around £12m debt
  
• If they don't buck up the second division beckons and that's just as hard to get out of, not to mention financial armageddon.

The above is a nightmare scenario for Dunfermline and, frankly, adminstration beckons. It might be the best thing for the club, provided a buyer can be found. If there to be a clearout, I would start with the board who have brought the club to its knees!

Dunfermline are an SPL team with one of the best provincial stadiums in Scotland. Their present predicament is just terrible and really should not be any cause for laughter for any supporter of Scottish football.

[bleubrazil]

Tonsilitis, on Nov 5 2007, 00:32, said:

I wonder what the future holds for Dunfermline. They were one of the clubs that really overstretched themselves trying to compete with the old firm - paying more for wages alone - never mind any other overheads - than the clubs total income. They are still suffering from the legacy of that, even though they have changed their ways. Indeed they are rumoured to be still paying SPL wages to players who are regularly producing third division performances.

• They don't have the money to make wholesale changes because of the cost of terminating contracts
  
• They have around £12m debt
  
• If they don't buck up the second division beckons and that's just as hard to get out of, not to mention financial armageddon.

The above is a nightmare scenario for Dunfermline and, frankly, adminstration beckons. It might be the best thing for the club, provided a buyer can be found. If there to be a clearout, I would start with the board who have brought the club to its knees!

Dunfermline are an SPL team with one of the best provincial stadiums in Scotland. Their present predicament is just terrible and really should not be any cause for laughter for any supporter of Scottish football.

I thought Gavin Masterton was a financial genius


PS Why take a loan player on SPL wages when promotion is already lost?

[Dundee Par]

bleubrazil, on Nov 5 2007, 00:58, said:

I thought Gavin Masterton was a financial genius


PS Why take a loan player on SPL wages when promotion is already lost?

Who says we're paying him SPL wages?

[The Master]

bonniedundee, on Nov 3 2007, 21:58, said:

Dunfermline are suffering in exactly the same way Dundee did when we came down. All these old has-beens and wannabes will only grind you down further. They've relegated you once and will do so again if you let them. Dundee had the same problem with guys like Tam McManus, Garry Brady etc. Changing manager is necessary but will not solve the problem alone. Its going to take at least two tranfer windows for a manager to clear out all these guys on SPL money and replace them with players suitable to compete in this league. Dundee also had the nightmare financial situation to sort out as well, i dont know if that comes into the equation with Dunfermline or not?

The trouble is, it was our replacement manager to ended up taking us perilously close to religation.

I recall a lot of cheers going up when Brechin beat us at Dens...

This post has been edited by EastFootball: 05 November 2007 - 03:38