[StewartyMac]

No8., on Oct 12 2007, 09:54, said:

But i am sure everyone wants consistency from officials and the governing bodies.

Whereas you wanted Celtic to be hammered because you are blinded by bias.

[No8.]

I will settle for 'blinded by bias'...that is better than being accused of being a bigot.

Edit to add...i didn't want them hammered but iam , like most people, surprised to see them getting of so lightly. Especially with Uefas usually heavy handedness when dealing with crowd related trouble. The 2 game ban for Dida is just a joke...his punishment is self inflicted...he will be a laughing stock wherever he goes now and that should have been it.

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[Lordofthewing]

bairnPunter, on Oct 12 2007, 10:53, said:

Miko and Dida can't be compared surely? Miko dived from Darren Fletcher. Dida dived from a fan who should not have been on the park (as hilarious as that sounds)

Mibbe not the best example, but I was just trying to make a point about play-acting or 'simulation' being punished in a similar manner. I admit we were lucky to be let off with a very lenient fine, but I'm not sure what the standard amount would be for crowd related incidents.

[bairnPunter]

Lordofthewing, on Oct 12 2007, 11:13, said:

Mibbe not the best example, but I was just trying to make a point about play-acting or 'simulation' being punished in a similar manner. I admit we were lucky to be let off with a very lenient fine, but I'm not sure what the standard amount would be for crowd related incidents.

I know what you mean. I thought it be maybe 100k or maybe 200k.

Uefa have taken into account that the fan was 'playacting' and touched Dida in a 'playful' way. But should it have mattered what the fan did? Celtic FC let him run on, and off without apprehension, and he approached a member of playing staff. Its a tricky one I admit. We've a fan attacking a referee and the punishment was 2 closed doors games for Denmark wasn't it? We've previously had a streaker running on at Hampden a few years ago at Champions League final, and no punishment I think.

The crime surely in all of these cases is the same. 1 fan has illegally got onto the park. So whoever controls security should be punished equally the same?! Of course, if its more than 1 etc....the higher the punishment...but then what if the fan had a knife....is it the fan running on thats the problem, or is it the fan getting into the stadium with a knife? Or in Celtic's case, drunk? Personally, I think clubs and the SFA at Scotland games should clamp down on drunk fans, and not let them in.

Thoughts?

[StewartyMac]

bairnPunter, on Oct 12 2007, 11:31, said:

but then what if the fan had a knife....

If the fan had a knife and slashed Dida, Celtic would have been at the very least kicked out of the competition, and maybe banned from European competition for years.

However, he didn't.

[Leeds-Rover]

bairnPunter, on Oct 12 2007, 11:31, said:

I know what you mean. I thought it be maybe 100k or maybe 200k.

Uefa have taken into account that the fan was 'playacting' and touched Dida in a 'playful' way. But should it have mattered what the fan did? Celtic FC let him run on, and off without apprehension, and he approached a member of playing staff. Its a tricky one I admit. We've a fan attacking a referee and the punishment was 2 closed doors games for Denmark wasn't it? We've previously had a streaker running on at Hampden a few years ago at Champions League final, and no punishment I think.

The crime surely in all of these cases is the same. 1 fan has illegally got onto the park. So whoever controls security should be punished equally the same?! Of course, if its more than 1 etc....the higher the punishment...but then what if the fan had a knife....is it the fan running on thats the problem, or is it the fan getting into the stadium with a knife? Or in Celtic's case, drunk? Personally, I think clubs and the SFA at Scotland games should clamp down on drunk fans, and not let them in.

Thoughts?

Course it matters what the fan done? I think you all need to put your old firm bias aside and just get on with it.

I'm not a fan of either half of the Old Firm but some of you have serious chips on your shoulders, come on we all know what happened and in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that serious. If Dida hadn't had went down I doubt we would be even talking about it!

The guy didn't have a knife, he didn't beat the shit out of Dida, Celtic got fined and Dida got banned so let's on move on!

[bairnPunter]

Steven, on Oct 12 2007, 11:47, said:

Course it matters what the fan done? I think you all need to put your old firm bias aside and just get on with it.

I'm not a fan of either half of the Old Firm but some of you have serious chips on your shoulders, come on we all know what happened and in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that serious. If Dida hadn't had went down I doubt we would be even talking about it!

The guy didn't have a knife, he didn't beat the shit out of Dida, Celtic got fined and Dida got banned so let's on move on!

The streakers, the Celtic fan, and the fan who attacked the ref in Denmark, all did different things, with different punishments given out by UEFA, clearly 'directly dependent' on what the fan actually did. Celtic were fined for "a lack of organisation and improper conduct of supporters". So Celtic are paying a fine for the conduct of their supporter. I'd have thought they'd be fined for improper stewarding and policing of their crowd?

If UEFA want to be consistent, I don't think they have been. I think the Police should deal with the fan. UEFA deal with the club for improper stewarding and policing of their crowd and nothing else.

If I run on at Westfield, run up to Yogi, tell him to take Pedro off, and play Barratt, Finnegan, Wallner, or me, thats then Falkirks responsibility, and they'll get fined accordingly dependent on what I did? Or, maybe UEFA will give me a coaching badge, and take Yogi's from him? I'd have still managed to get on the park illegally, just as the other fans did....

Should Celtic sue the fan for the fine....?

Its a forum, a debate, no agenda, no chips on shoulders....

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[StewartyMac]

bairnPunter, on Oct 12 2007, 12:36, said:

The streakers, the Celtic fan, and the fan who attacked the ref in Denmark, all did different things, with different punishments given out by UEFA, clearly 'directly dependent' on what the fan actually did.

If UEFA want to be consistent, I don't think they have been.

If you steal a Mars bar from the shop, do you expect the same punishment as you would get for murdering an old lady?

[pollymac]

Celtic WERE fined for 'improper stewarding'. Or was the 'lack of organisation' part Uefa's sly dig at their shit youth system?

Also, just what is improper stewarding? **pictures stewards getting touchy feely with fans**

[Broccoli Dog]

pollymac, on Oct 12 2007, 22:08, said:

Also, just what is improper stewarding?

Allowing a supporter onto the pitch unchallenged, who then ran across the pitch, attacked a player before being put back into the stands by the stewards.

Sounds like improper stewarding to me

[pollymac]

improper stewarding just doesn't round right, or healthy

[LordHawHaw]

kpj, on Oct 12 2007, 22:12, said:

Allowing a supporter onto the pitch unchallenged, who then ran across the pitch, attacked a player before being put back into the stands by the stewards.

Sounds like improper stewarding to me

At your next Midden gamewalk to the front of teh stand and gauge how easy it would be to get on an "touch" a player, then talk about improper stewarding

[No8.]

LordHawHaw, on Oct 12 2007, 22:37, said:

At your next Midden gamewalk to the front of teh stand and gauge how easy it would be to get on an "touch" a player, then talk about improper stewarding

Not that easy in the last 5 minutes when hundreds of stewards are surrounding the pitch....unless they score a winning goal and the already booked player leaves the field of play to celebrate with the hundreds of supporters who are on the track/pitch with them...then yes it would be quite easy to sneak past and 'attack' a player

[glasnost]

No8., on Oct 12 2007, 11:01, said:

. Especially with Uefas usually heavy handedness when dealing with crowd related trouble.

That's not really the case though - they aren't usually heavy handed when it comes to corwd trouble, indeed our fine when looked at others, is perhaps overly large.

[raith_94]

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/7049010. stm

Dida's ban reduced. Thoughts?

[Lordofthewing]

raith_94, on Oct 22 2007, 16:44, said:

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/ 7049010.stm

Dida's ban reduced. Thoughts?

Not exactly unexpected.

[raith_94]

No, it was probably always going to be reduced. At least he's been widely ridiculed throughout Europe for it.

Anyone know what sanction if any Milan imposed on him? I know Kaka slated him...