[CALDERON]

purpletoddy, on Sep 22 2007, 18:06, said:

at least he's showing a bit of passion and grit!!!!! if someone was getting on your back at work for say not meeting targets or fucking up by labeling the wrong tin of beans....then steven when you did label the beans faster and better than him bet youd have a word back!!!!!

If you gave me the No 9 jersey for Raith Rovers, id show passion and grit. But that dosent mean i should be playing does it?

[Steven]

CALDERON, on Sep 22 2007, 18:14, said:

If you gave me the No 9 jersey for Raith Rovers, id show passion and grit. But that dosent mean i should be playing does it?

Exactly I am sick of people saying "but they show passion" passion without skill or effort dosen't win you games!

[lzreid]

If that was up the backof the South stand it was probably me. In defence of the fannies though they had a go because they though I was giving Hissy abuse. Was more than happy to release some frustration by making them aware of their mistake.

[purpletoddy]

CALDERON, on Sep 22 2007, 18:14, said:

If you gave me the No 9 jersey for Raith Rovers, id show passion and grit. But that dosent mean i should be playing does it?

your right mate but he has been given stick rightly on occasions but when he does something right people dont see that.......and because people are getting on his back you notice more of his blunders ......the rest of the team do the same from time to time and it goes un noticed........I agree that in a lot of games he has looked lazy and a pace off the ball but I felt that today he tried like a bear....maybe a bit too hard at times???.....he did get 2 goals today so hopefully he may get a break and start hitting the back of the net a bit more.....showed balls steping up to a penalty knowing if he missed it he would have got slatted and even more abuse

This post has been edited by purpletoddy: 22 September 2007 - 17:21

[Michael W]

CALDERON, on Sep 22 2007, 18:14, said:

If you gave me the No 9 jersey for Raith Rovers, id show passion and grit. But that dosent mean i should be playing does it?

Hislop wasn't too bad today so I don'y understand why he was being abused in the way he was.

[lzreid]

Sorry, didn't quote properly - or at all. That was in response to a gentlemans post about some malcontents nearly fighting over remarks regarding Hislop.

[Michael W]

lzreid, on Sep 22 2007, 18:20, said:

If that was up the backof the South stand it was probably me. In defence of the fannies though they had a go because they though I was giving Hissy abuse. Was more than happy to release some frustration by making them aware of their mistake.

Na it was near the botom mate.

[lzreid]

Ah well, good for him for standing up against the abuse.

[Michael W]

lzreid, on Sep 22 2007, 18:25, said:

Ah well, good for him for standing up against the abuse.

I agree. The guys were totally unreasonable with the way they went about it.

[Cliche Guevara]

I think criticism of Ayr is rather harsh. This is a team who played 120 minutes midweek, playing against a full-time side away from home.

Had Alex Williams been fit, he'd have had a hat-trick. Williams, Stevenson and Vareille had good games. We knocked the ball around well at times and created loads of chances - albeit on the break. We hit the underside of the bar, and the inside of the post before Rovers scored. It could have been a rout.

Clearly Neil Watt's tactics are still a bit pessimistic, as had we got the ball down and knocked it around even more I think we would have controlled more of the game. Ayr have a good squad and there is no reason for us to fear anybody in this league. If we can cut the negativity and encourage more of a passing game, we'll do far better.

[purpletoddy]

Steven, on Sep 22 2007, 18:19, said:

Exactly I am sick of people saying "but they show passion" passion without skill or effort dosen't win you games!

I dont mean to have a go mate but in the second half there may not have been the best of skill on display but I can not say that there was no effort from hislop or the rest of the team......yes we didnt win.....we didnt play great....we were caught on the counter a few times due to the fact that we were trying to get back in the game and to get a goal.....especially at the start of the 2nd half......was gutted when they got the 3rd goal....

[rw89]

Easy to see the effect the fans can have on the team though. Thought 2nd half we looked so much better. If we all get behind the team and put this behind us i think we can start picking up points again. We're lucky we took points in our 1st 3 games and we're not too far behind. Like the Rc game, bits need improved.

[Michael W]

rw89, on Sep 22 2007, 18:28, said:

Easy to see the effect the fans can have on the team though. Thought 2nd half we looked so much better. If we all get behind the team and put this behind us i think we can start picking up points again. We're lucky we took points in our 1st 3 games and we're not too far behind. Like the Rc game, bits need improved.

Your right, we were alot better 2nd half. However, when Ayr scored that was it, game over. I really hope Fahey bounces back next week.

[rw89]

The Todd, on Sep 22 2007, 18:29, said:

Your right, we were alot better 2nd half. However, when Ayr scored that was it, game over. I really hope Fahey bounces back next week.

Aye. Will definatly be going to Brechin The last thing the team needs is to see fans not going to games.

[Steven]

purpletoddy, on Sep 22 2007, 18:28, said:

I dont mean to have a go mate but in the second half there may not have been the best of skill on display but I can not say that there was no effort from hislop or the rest of the team......yes we didnt win.....we didnt play great....we were caught on the counter a few times due to the fact that we were trying to get back in the game and to get a goal.....especially at the start of the 2nd half......was gutted when they got the 3rd goal....

Yes but we can do so much better and constantly gifting teams a 2-0 start then decide to start playing isn't good enough and as RW89 has said we were lucky we picked up the points we did in the first three games.

Games last 90 minutes not 10 or 15 which is how long we seem to play for

[lzreid]

Has anyone considered that Hissy gets maybe a tad more shit than he deserves?

In a game where we poor he scored twice in front of a set of fans who were at times just being stupid. The penalty took balls and his 1st took skill. I honestly think that at times some Rovers fans need to wake up. He didn't get the service he needs and we are not able to sign players who can create something from nothing.

[staggy4life]

Alun, on Sep 22 2007, 18:27, said:

Had Alex Williams been fit, he'd have had a hat-trick.

The biggest and longest "if only" saga in scottsh football

[Michael W]

lzreid, on Sep 22 2007, 18:35, said:

He didn't get the service he needs and we are not able to sign players who can create something from nothing.

True. I sensed disaster when I seen that our 3 centre midfielders were Winter, Dav and Silvo. All 3 are the defensive type of midfielder. Our creativity today was lacking.

[purpletoddy]

lzreid, on Sep 22 2007, 18:35, said:

Has anyone considered that Hissy gets maybe a tad more shit than he deserves?

In a game where we poor he scored twice in front of a set of fans who were at times just being stupid. The penalty took balls and his 1st took skill. I honestly think that at times some Rovers fans need to wake up. He didn't get the service he needs and we are not able to sign players who can create something from nothing.

spot on

[lzreid]

Couldn't agree more. All our creative players were injured except carcary who didn't fit the system. Boris and Sloan are our best bet and if they had played today we probably would have looked better going forward.

[Cliche Guevara]

Quote

The biggest and longest "if only" saga in scottsh football

no, he was tired from his 120 minutes, and two goals, on Tuesday.

[Steven]

The Todd, on Sep 22 2007, 18:37, said:

True. I sensed disaster when I seen that our 3 centre midfielders were Winter, Dav and Silvo. All 3 are the defensive type of midfielder. Our creativity today was lacking.

If we had started the first half the way we started the second half we would have hammered them!

Hence why I am so frustrated

[lzreid]

I understand that frustration. We played well in the second half and probably deserved a couple of goals. The first half was fucking dire.

[bring_back_the_twa_hoops]

Steven, on Sep 22 2007, 18:51, said:

If we had started the first half the way we started the second half we would have hammered them!

Hence why I am so frustrated

We cant play ay home. For some reason the players look edgy on the ball, everything is rushed and possession lost time after time. When we're away from home we're relaxed and the play looks confident. Maybe we cant cope with the way we're harried by teams at Stark's - we dont seem to get the same time and space at home as we do away either. We were second to every ball against Ross County and Ayr - I cant think of us winning a 50/50 ball in either of these games. Theres definitely something lacking along the lines of quickness and allertness in the team at home.

[Angerfist]

It's quite simple why we don't perform at home and it was shwon clear as day today - the fans.

Whenever we lose the ball it's a big groan or sigh or the usual "yer pish" or "Git him fuckin aff" nonsense. Away from home this just doesn't happen.