[kullibino]

p&b is a disgrace, on Oct 28 2006, 20:33, said:

Aye - very funny.

Well is the box 18 yards from the goal at all points?

[Scary Bear]

socrates2, on Oct 28 2006, 19:50, said:

The only consolation you have is that we are also having a bad run, have no manager and are struggling to score goals...so should be a pretty even game then?!

I noticed that you boys form is pretty poor too. Hopefully we can get a win under our belts....after that all I want for xmas is a home win. The cup game against Dumbarton will do.

[rw89]

Only good thing to come out of the defeat was to see Fairbairn back: his injury was pretty horrific so it was good to see him getting a chance.

[Raving On]

I pretty much agree with what the other Binos have said. We were well below par so to win the game has to be thought of as an excellent result. I think Raith could justifiably claim that they deserved at least a point but you need to take your chances. Thorana.... the Icelandic boy looked an excellent player but his finishing is absolutely woeful - what point is there in having a striker that can't score an easy chance from 2 yards? One of the misses had to be seen to be believed.

Colin Cramb could've had another right at the end but most Raith fans had left by that time. When will he manage to score 2 in a game?

Re the ref: bizarre. Don't know how he missed Hogarth a yard out of his box - he seemed to be well enough positioned. Raith's penalty probably was but I'd say that Cashmore's was a very similar challenge and wasn't given which was disappointing.

Overall I'm delighted with 3 points. We will need to play better to beat Alloa though.

[Gnash]

I've had another think about the Hogarth incident, and you could actually make a case for the ref having made the correct decision. Here's my logic:

1) It could only have been a red card offence if, in the ref's opinion, Hogarth prevented an obvious goal-scoring opportunity. Most people here agree that he didn't.

2) There is no provision to book a player for a deliberate handball. You could argue that it is 'unsporting behaviour', but I don't see how that could apply in this case.

3) There is even a question over whether it was a deliberate handball. The relevant part of the rules is this:

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A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following four offences:

* handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

Clearly Hogarth handled the ball deliberately, but I'd say his intention was to stay within the penalty box. In which case he did not deliberately handle outside of the box.

Therefore...... the referee was correct to not send off, book or award a free kick against Hogarth.

Either that, or he missed what everybody else in the stadium saw.

[Raith Against The Machine]

When the goalkeeper is outside the box, he can't handle the ball.

Simple rule!

[Gnash]

Dunc, on Oct 28 2006, 22:56, said:

When the goalkeeper is outside the box, he can't handle the ball.

Simple rule!

Incorrect. If the goalkeeper accidently handles the ball outside the box, the referee's correct course of action is to allow play to continue, the same as it would be for any other player.

[Unknown Caller]

Gnasher's accountant, on Oct 28 2006, 22:52, said:

Clearly Hogarth handled the ball deliberately, but I'd say his intention was to stay within the penalty box. In which case he did not deliberately handle outside of the box.

Therefore...... the referee was correct to not send off, book or award a free kick against Hogarth.

Either that, or he missed what everybody else in the stadium saw.

And how does the Ref know what is going through Hogarths head?

[Raith Against The Machine]

Gnasher's accountant, on Oct 28 2006, 23:01, said:

Incorrect. If the goalkeeper accidently handles the ball outside the box, the referee's correct course of action is to allow play to continue, the same as it would be for any other player.

He just "accidentally" caught the ball then. That was lucky.

[Gnash]

Steven, on Oct 28 2006, 23:02, said:

And how does the Ref know what is going through Hogarths head?

He doesn't, but in common with several of the decisions a referee has to make in a game, he must make a judgment as to whether he thinks the action is deliberate or not. If the referee judged that Hogarth did not intend to handle the ball outside the box, he made the correct decision given that judgement.

Dunc, on Oct 28 2006, 23:04, said:

He just "accidentally" caught the ball then. That was lucky.

I suggest you read my post again, I'll put the relevant section here to help you:

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Clearly Hogarth handled the ball deliberately, but I'd say his intention was to stay within the penalty box. In which case he did not deliberately handle outside of the box.

[Raith Against The Machine]

Why would any goalkeeper ever deliberately catch the ball outside the box - it'd be madness.

I didn't want to get into a big discussion about this, but I can't believe that you don't think it was a free-kick and at least a booking!

[Gnash]

Dunc, on Oct 28 2006, 23:19, said:

Why would any goalkeeper ever deliberately catch the ball outside the box - it'd be madness.

Indeed, I agree with that.

Dunc, on Oct 28 2006, 23:19, said:

I didn't want to get into a big discussion about this, but I can't believe that you don't think it was a free-kick and at least a booking!

Well, rules are rules. Don't blame me because I didn't devise them.

[Raith Against The Machine]

Gnasher's accountant, on Oct 28 2006, 23:23, said:

Well, rules are rules. Don't blame me because I didn't devise them.

Yeah, well, well, yeah, why not, you should've!

[renton]

been in the pub thinking about this...today was fairly soul destroying

Just counting the minutes down until CL fecks off, and then what?

right now you'd have to be mad to take the raith job, poor pay, a lot of stress and one of the most frustrating teams in scottish football, christ - i still can't believe Thor blazed over from point blank range; then defenders all had little breakdowns that led to the Stirling goals

I've got that pit of the stomach hopeless feeling that I remember from the Anelka days, it really could get that bad unless Raith already have a man in line for the job who happens to be a miracle worker

Still gonna go next week - and the week after that, ad infinitum. Watching raith throw games away like the last 3/4 weeks

[RedWeb]

Dunc, on Oct 28 2006, 23:19, said:

Why would any goalkeeper ever deliberately catch the ball outside the box - it'd be madness.

He didn't catch it outside the box....he caught it inside the box and took over the line....small point but one worth making

[Robbo]

I`ll go againast the grain here,thought we should have sewn the game up by half time.Second half was even stevensno event,

Referee,usual standard....awful.

Keeper should have seen red, end off,Can`t believe this pish about goal scoring opportunity.So in effect a keeper can come out to the half way line and handle the ball but because hes not stopped a goal scoring opportunity its not desreving of a yellpw/red card?pish

2nd top..2nd bottom,not a lot of difference apart from the points difference.

A few Stirling players like to go down easily and play on there injuries.

[miketheheadlesschicken]

Robbo, on Oct 28 2006, 23:58, said:

Keeper should have seen red, end off,Can`t believe this pish about goal scoring opportunity.

You can't believe the rules of the game?

[Robbo]

Like how you quoted only part of my post.

[miketheheadlesschicken]

Robbo, on Oct 29 2006, 00:13, said:

Like how you quoted only part of my post.

Thanks.

[BIGQ FAE KDY]

Keeper has ball in hand outside box is a free kick with a booking or sending off in any other football arena in the world. In scotland f--k all happens and visiting fans come on try to make a case for their keeper doing that.I am sick of this pish from stirling fans who i thought had some sense of fair play and knew their football.We are shite and couldnt score in a barrel o fannies but when these decisions go against you week in week out it depresses me no end.This week that decision,last week we should have had a penalty and the keeper sent off but missed 30 chances.Morton game should be 4 up before templeman comes on does his glenrothes impression of swan f--king lake and gets a penalty.Ayr game we batter them for 90 mins sorry 80 mins and get beat 1-0. If we dont improve then we will go down and the club will die because we wouldnt be able to sustain it.

[Raving On]

Robbo, on Oct 29 2006, 00:13, said:

Like how you quoted only part of my post.

He did - the only relavent part. It's not like Hogarth came charging up to the half way line and picked the ball up; he ran to the edge of the box to gather a clearance and his momentum took him out of the box. No-one is disputing this fact. Even if the referee had (correctly) given the free-kick it would never have been a red card.

As for Raith having the game sewn up in the first half - I can only remember 2 other chances other than the goals. Thought Rovers probably shaded the second half though, or at least the earlier part of it, and had more chances.

Edit - And our players making the most of the injuries? I think the physios were only on the pitch twice in the whole game - both times in the first half when Currie and then Cashmore went down.

This post has been edited by Raving On: 28 October 2006 - 23:25

[Robbo]

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He did - the only relavent part.

Noy at all..the other part is equally relevant.Momentum carried him outside the box,okay i`ll accept that,minimum is a booking and a free kick...ref gave neither.

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As for Raith having the game sewn up in the first half - I can only remember 2 other chances other than the goals.

Correct,2 sitters.......which would have made it 3-1 at half time,game finished IMO but its totally irrelevant now.It didn`t happen and we were beaten by a team who are 2nd top who are no better than us who are 2nd bottom

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Thought Rovers probably shaded the second half though, or at least the earlier part of it, and had more chances.

Disagree,thought you guys shaded the 2nd half.

This post has been edited by Robbo: 28 October 2006 - 23:47

[MIFTHEBINO]

Robbo, on Oct 29 2006, 00:46, said:

It didn`t happen and we were beaten by a team who are 2nd top who are no better than us who are 2nd bottom

The big part you forgot to mention was "on the day" at the end of the sentence. Clearly we under performed and are second top for a reason.

Overall, Raith arent the worst team we have played and I can see you guys picking up and finishing mid table.

[Martin Nelson]

Raithsaltire, on Oct 28 2006, 19:25, said:

We are on the fast track to the third division. Levein will be going to Tannadice on Monday. A new manager will take at least 6 games to assess the threadbare squad we have, and to settle. By that time we could be too many points behind to make any sort of a comeback. Another scary thought.......what if Levein's replacement is as bad as Dalziel?!!The future is bleak just now. Ah well, I've never been to Borough Briggs, Elgin..........

We could just as easily get relegated with Levein in charge anyway, I don't see anything to suggest that we'll pick up more points in the next 6 games with him in charge than we would with someone else.

[BIGQ FAE KDY]

MIFTHEBINO, on Oct 29 2006, 00:53, said:

The big part you forgot to mention was "on the day" at the end of the sentence. Clearly we under performed and are second top for a reason.

Overall, Raith arent the worst team we have played and I can see you guys picking up and finishing mid table.

thats big of you saying that