LongTimeLurker Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just saw an Guardian article on twitter that suggests Labour might support independence: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/sturgeon-seeks-urgent-brussels-talks-to-protect-scotlands-eu-membership In a further significant development, Scottish Labour’s executive committee opened up the prospect of eventually endorsing independence after agreeing to “consider all options†on Scotland’s future in the UK.Until now, the Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, had consistently opposed a second referendum, but the party is now to consult unions, parliamentarians and members on its position after the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Party officials said the political situation was so fluid and uncertain, it was impossible to arrive at a fixed position now on Scotland’s future. Dugdale said Scottish Labour believed in the UK and pooling resources and sovereignty, but it now had to apply those values “to do the best thing for Scotland and the interests of working people within itâ€. Never thought I'd see the day etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Quite a few lib Dems seem to be considering similar. In terms of parliament we may well see SNP and greens for indyref2 lib Dems and labour unopposed and only conservatives against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 With Labour being in disarray, maybe Dugdale feels she can assert her authority a bit up here. I think a lot of people feel that leaving the EU is a bit of a deal breaker in terms of the Union. Wonder if anything will change Ruth Davidson's mind as well. But like turning water into wine mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Scottish Labour should give up. They are an absolute joke and god knows why anyone in the media listens to a word they say. Complete irrelevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 With Labour being in disarray, maybe Dugdale feels she can assert her authority a bit up here. I think a lot of people feel that leaving the EU is a bit of a deal breaker in terms of the Union. At the very least it suggests SLab are afraid of losing members and some of their elected officials due to Brexit and see adopting this posture as a way to keep them on board until passions have calmed down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Scottish Labour should give up. They are an absolute joke and god knows why anyone in the media listens to a word they say. Complete irrelevance. My word. They were dictating the debate little over a year ago apparently Labour need to back yes. It's their only chance to save face imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Scottish Labour can't provide a "significant development" because they're an utter fucking irrelevance in Scottish politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Labour have missed their chance to go for independence. A switch to pro independence will just mean they lose more ground to the tories - they've probably lost all the seats they could to the Tories but it might mean Tory wins in snp/ Tory marginals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Who are, "Labour"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 My word. They were dictating the debate little over a year ago apparently Labour need to back yes. It's their only chance to save face imo. I think they will be neutral - leave it to individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Labour have missed their chance to go for independence. A switch to pro independence will just mean they lose more ground to the tories - they've probably lost all the seats they could to the Tories but it might mean Tory wins in snp/ Tory marginals. We could be independent before another GE or SPE is held though so they will be in a stronger position to reform into a post-Indy social Democratic Party, possibly with St. Nic as leader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonMan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 They'll probably be neutral, with quite a few figures quietly supporting independence. As weird as it sounds, at this point it's almost just handy for another endorsement; I can't think of anyone within Scottish Labour's whose transition would be massive if it weren't for them being aligned to the party. Some like Jabba the Hutt will be staunch No's but some with very pro-EU feelings are bound to come over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 They'll probably be neutral, with quite a few figures quietly supporting independence. As weird as it sounds, at this point it's almost just handy for another endorsement; I can't think of anyone within Scottish Labour's whose transition would be massive if it weren't for them being aligned to the party. Some like Jabba the Hutt will be staunch No's but some with very pro-EU feelings are bound to come over. Ask a member of the public where SLAB stand on any issue of your choice and the most likely reply is, "ah dinna ken". Closely followed by, "ah dinnae care". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 If I was running Scottish Labour strategy I'd be tempted to draw a line in the sand here Make it quite clear to Westminster that if they don't ignore this referendum then Scottish Labour are going to give up trying to keep this Union going and the United Kingdom is over Giving Conservative MPs the choice of leaving the EU or burning the Union Jack is liable to be enough of an excuse for Westminster to do the right thing but Scottish Labour can claim the credit for having actually achieved something, they could become relevant again. Of course if Westminster persist in leaving the EU anyway then Scottish Labour probably weren't going to be able to stop the SNP anyway under those conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Scottish Labour should give up. They are an absolute joke and god knows why anyone in the media listens to a word they say. Complete irrelevance. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 SLab still got roughly 20% of the vote in May. Get half of them to switch to Yes and it's in the bag. Time to reach out to everyone except racists IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 If I was running Scottish Labour strategy I'd be tempted to draw a line in the sand here Make it quite clear to Westminster that if they don't ignore this referendum then Scottish Labour are going to give up trying to keep this Union going and the United Kingdom is over Giving Conservative MPs the choice of leaving the EU or burning the Union Jack is liable to be enough of an excuse for Westminster to do the right thing but Scottish Labour can claim the credit for having actually achieved something, they could become relevant again. Of course if Westminster persist in leaving the EU anyway then Scottish Labour probably weren't going to be able to stop the SNP anyway under those conditions. Erm, Jeremy Corbyn runs Scottish Labour. It being the financially dependent branch office of the Labour Party in the UK. So yeah: independent action or initiative is really not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Erm, Jeremy Corbyn runs Scottish Labour. It being the financially dependent branch office of the Labour Party in the UK. So yeah: independent action or initiative is really not going to happen. Jeremy Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Busted Flush meeting tomorrow to discuss this issue too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I did say in a different thread that Slab supporting indy would be a game changer for Scotland and possibly kick the arse out of the SNP. Scottish voters are essentially progressive socialists and the SNP are not that. If SLab had backed indy 1st time around then Scotland would already be Independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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