F_T_Y Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Why do we persist on a system of playing 2 sitting mid-fielders and one up front, We are not good enough to play two up front, we will get ripped apart are the usual replies. Just watching Ireland playing with a diamond midfield and two up top, Wales played a 5-3-2. Albania, Slovakia and Romania all lined up with 4-3-3. Are we seriously suggesting these countries have better players at their disposal. Surely Strachan has to change from his system at some point especially against Malta and Lithuania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Play five up front, and five defenders. That's the ONLY way to play football. None of this midfield pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum_gers Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Albania, Slovakia & Romania have proved that 4-3-3 can lead to narrow defeats. That's the way forward IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Point is they qualified for the finals likely playing the same formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 The 4-3-3 is very similar to our 4-2-3-1. Both have a single central striker supported by two wingers. In fact you could argue out formation is more attacking because we give our "10" a free role to support the centre forward whereas the 4-3-3 has essentially three holding midfielders. I've been wanting us to play a 5-3-2 for years. The only downside to that formation is that you're relying on your wingbacks to double up as full backs and wingers. The pay off though is fantastic, you gain an extra centre-back and an extra centre forward whilst still having three central midfielders. It can be an absolute disaster if you don't have good enough players to man the wing back position but Anya and Robertson are two of our best players. Look at Wales, Gunter and Taylor are two of their unsung heroes who they rely on in many ways GK David Marshall RWB Ikechyi Anya RCB Russell Martin CB Grant Hanley LCB Charlie Mulgrew LWB Andy Robertson RCM James Morrison CM James McArthur LCM Barry Bannan RCF Steven Naismith LCF Steven Fletcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Craig Brown played a back 5. Never again please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 What a fucking moron. Barca and Bayern play 4-2-3-1 and win all their games, so thats the tactic we should use. But wait, Spain and Germany play without a real centre forward and win World Cups, so thats how we should play! Can't see how it won't work for us if it works for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Usual over the top reply from Random guy. Spain and Germany have better players than us. My point which you obviously missed is how are countries with players you wouldn't say were better than ours getting to major tournaments playing attacking formations. We haven't qualified for 18 years because we play negative, backs to the wall football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Scotland have set the team up as a defensive unit for as long as I can remember. No balls to go out swinging and see where it takes us. I would always prefer to lose having a go than the dross served up over the last 2 decades. Strachan says the players are scared. I say he is the 1 scared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Usual over the top reply from Random guy. Spain and Germany have better players than us. My point which you obviously missed is how are countries with players you wouldn't say were better than ours getting to major tournaments playing attacking formations. We haven't qualified for 18 years because we play negative, backs to the wall football. No, your scrambling about for some bollocks excuse to try and convince yourself you're brighter than everyone else and have sussed out our problem. Your theory is a load of fucking shite considering we were more attacking than both Irish sides and numerous European sides in the qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Your theory is a load of fucking shite considering we were more attacking than both Irish sides and numerous European sides in the qualifiers. Got any facts to back up that statement, bearing in mind we didn't have a shot on goal in Gerogia. Sat back against Ireland when we got the equaliser in Dublin and were quite lucky to beat them at Celtic park. Granted we had a good go at the poles at Hampden but by that point it was win or bust. Not trying to convince myself of anything, just suggesting different ideas on how we can qualify so i don't have to sit here and watch Ireland, Wales, Northern Ireland fans enjoying the experience and thinking what are we doing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 No, your scrambling about for some bollocks excuse to try and convince yourself you're brighter than everyone else and have sussed out our problem. Your theory is a load of fucking shite considering we were more attacking than both Irish sides and numerous European sides in the qualifiers. You talk some drivel ya prasite. Bet your a fan of Chris Martin. The long ball to a wooden lump up top with the other 10 players in there own half. More attacking than others in the euros bwahaha. Stay off the crack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placidcasual Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Are we seriously suggesting these countries have better players at their disposal. Point is they qualified for the finals likely playing the same formation. I would say they quite clearly have. I don't think any formation would have seen us through. We're pish, and likely to remain pish for the foreseeable, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I agree with placidcasual here, we're shite. No point getting too worked up about it, we just don't have the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Still, no harm in looking at different ways of setting up to see if we can get the most out of our sorry shower of shite. As mentioned earlier, Wales, Norn Iron etc seem to be quite comfortable switching between 4231, 442 and 352/532. I think we've blinkered ourselves into thinking its 4231 or bust. It's a useful system but we need to have another trick or two to tackle certain opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 No, your scrambling about for some bollocks excuse to try and convince yourself you're brighter than everyone else and have sussed out our problem. Your theory is a load of fucking shite considering we were more attacking than both Irish sides and numerous European sides in the qualifiers. Mistakes like that are amusing when you're trying to lament someone for being an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 We clearly play 5 in midfield because it's our strongest part of our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 We clearly play 5 in midfield because it's our strongest part of our team. Yes, because shoehorning your 11 best players onto the park and ignoring tactical shrewdness always works.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Yes, because shoehorning your 11 best players onto the park and ignoring tactical shrewdness always works.... I never said that's what we should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I never said that's what we should do. Yes you did. Sometimes loading bodies into your weaker areas can help you. Strength in numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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