kleinfaethetoon Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Should the Queen of the South board of directors be looking to replace the the management team during the close season ? For me, yes ...... I see no improvement since August if anything the performances have went backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 We'll take them off your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Ridiculous statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 You would still be in the hunt for playoffs had we not went on a frankly ridiculous run lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Here we have an example of a Queens fan who'd got so used to the playoffs after 2 seasons he sees it as failure that they've returned to their natural level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthetop Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Here we have an example of a Queens fan who'd got so used to the playoffs after 2 seasons he sees it as failure that they've returned to their natural level.Obsession isn't healthy you no. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Obsession isn't healthy you no. Know, it sure isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUMFRIES_CREW Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Got to go Fresh start next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleinfaethetoon Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Here we have an example of a Queens fan who'd got so used to the playoffs after 2 seasons he sees it as failure that they've returned to their natural level. At what point did I mention 'playoffs' ??? As you may be aware we lost more than half our starting 11 last summer. The management team then had to replace this loss with there own signings as they inherited a team from previous regimes. I like the majority expected a season of change but in my opinion this assembled team has flatlined the entire season. I believe we have a pretty talented squad who should be performing better. I think a mistake was made last summer by not bringing in an experienced assistant manager to work with James Fowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmy_cammy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Here we have an example of a Queens fan who'd got so used to the playoffs after 2 seasons he sees it as failure that they've returned to their natural level. Although I actually agree with your point that our fans' expectations have been raised due us having been spoiled the past few years, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that fourth place is our natural level long before the playoffs gave meaning to that position. Ian Scott achieved it, Gordon Chisholm achieved it, Jim McIntyre achieved it, and last season so did James Fowler. You did of course know this already. ETA Decided to look into this a bit further and going by http://www.fitbastats.com/qofs/comphist_season.php our final position in this division since our first promotion in 2001/02 are as follows - 2014/15 - 4th 2013/14 - 4th 2011/12 - 10th 2010/11 - 4th 2009/10 - 4th 2008/09 - 5th 2007/08 - 4th 2006/07 - 8th 2005/06 - 8th 2004/05 - 4th 2003/04 - 5th 2002/03 - 5th That gives us an average position of 5th (5.42), although it is massively skewed by the 10th place finish and the back-to-back 8th place finishes a decade ago. No matter how it is dressed up this season is going to be a disappointment, but we all knew it was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSTY1111 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Interesting stats there. 6 times 4th, 3 times 5th, twice 8th and once 10th. Perhaps we'll end up 6th or 7th. Cannot see Queens even getting 5th now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temps15 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Lost all confidence in the management team they can't get enough out of the team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan grey Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Interesting stats there. 6 times 4th, 3 times 5th, twice 8th and once 10th. Perhaps we'll end up 6th or 7th. Cannot see Queens even getting 5th now. I honestly wouldn't like to predict what team or performance we will get next time we play never mind predict where we will finish.One thing you can say about this season is that it had been inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QosLoyal Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Interesting stats there. 6 times 4th, 3 times 5th, twice 8th and once 10th. Perhaps we'll end up 6th or 7th. Cannot see Queens even getting 5th now. Seems that 4th/5th in the division is our level then despite what others think. Obviously this season was going to be difficult but it really has been bad viewing for the most part. I dont even think raith would have needed that run to clinch 4th the way our results have been against anyone round about us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Queens lost a lot of players. We gained a few players who could play at a higher level. Next season they'll be stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QosLoyal Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Queens lost a lot of players. We gained a few players who could play at a higher level. Next season they'll be stronger. So will you guys im sure if you can keep the core of your team plus hardie up top with vaughan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 A lot of talk of levels. I find looking for a level absurd, we have an SPL full of clubs who would be deemed above their level and finishing in positions above their level Football is all about the next game or in Queens case next season, a management change will go one of three ways of upturn, downturn or stay the same. Only Queens fans can have a real opinion on Fowler this season but he seems a little bit like Presley at my club and a little too defensive in cases where its not required and inconsistent, where he could go 6 games unbeaten then 6 games without a win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 It's stating the obvious that Queens have gone backwards, but is it a sackable offence? Fowler had a big job of rebuilding the team this summer and it's fair to say he hasn't done particularly well, but he's not done so catastrophically badly that you've fallen back to fighting relegation. Okay, you've looked a bit 'Raith under Grant Murray' and obviously haven't gotten close to the playoffs which should be the realistic target, but he's hardly Gus McPherson. While the top four should be the target for Queen of the South and it's fair to ask questions of managers failing to make it, you're obviously not going to manage it every single year with Falkirk, Raith, Morton & St. Mirren also targeting it on top of the title challengers. Sacking a manager every time they fail to make it would be madness, particularly when that manager got you there in a more competitive division last season. Obviously there are factors beyond purely league position to consider that only Queens fans can really comment on such as his tactical knowledge, flexibility, use of substitutions etc, but on results and league position alone it would seem harsh to sack him now. If you have another season like this next time with no credible challenge it's a sign that Fowler just isn't capable of building a squad good enough to challenge himself and if so it'd probably be fair to sack him then as he clearly isn't going to get you back into contention, but one season of under-performance on the back of a good season isn't grounds for the sack IMO. If that under-performance was a total collapse and he'd taken you closer to the relegation battle than mid-table fair enough, but he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QosLoyal Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 A lot of talk of levels. I find looking for a level absurd, we have an SPL full of clubs who would be deemed above their level and finishing in positions above their level Football is all about the next game or in Queens case next season, a management change will go one of three ways of upturn, downturn or stay the same. Only Queens fans can have a real opinion on Fowler this season but he seems a little bit like Presley at my club and a little too defensive in cases where its not required and inconsistent, where he could go 6 games unbeaten then 6 games without a win What i mean is more often than not we are in the top half of the league despite the notion by gaz that we are back to our "natural level". No problem with not acheiving that this season but as others have stated there is other factors. Shitfesting our way through 3 qaurters of the season which has been painful viewing, despite our late run of a more attacking brand of play , our abysmal run of only winning two games when we have conceded a goal(both against a shambolic alloa side), or our record against anyone outwith the bottom three teams has been very poor only managing one win each v st mirren,hibs,morton not to mention going out the cups with a whimper to three clubs within our own division . He will be given a chance in the summer to sort it out again which is probably fair enough but will need a big improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Seems that 4th/5th in the division is our level then despite what others think. Obviously this season was going to be difficult but it really has been bad viewing for the most part. I dont even think raith would have needed that run to clinch 4th the way our results have been against anyone round about us.. Did you have the 4th or 5th largest budget in this division? Probably not. Should you have had the 4th or 5th highest budget based on your income? Probably not. Then 4th/5th in this division isn't a fair description of your level, regardless of where you were placing back when dross like Clyde were stinking out the division. Obviously fans want to see their club over-achieving compared to the resources at their disposal, but identifying which of the six teams above them Queen of the South should be finishing above on paper takes some wishful thinking rather than objective superiority of resources. What i mean is more often than not we are in the top half of the league despite the notion by gaz that we are back to our "natural level". More often than not, you weren't even in this league; Queen of the South have had a strong recent period by historical standards, but you're still a middle-rank provincial club. Let's not forget that the last time that the likes of Hibs, Saint Mirren and Morton were in the same division together, you were tanking near the bottom of the Second Division. You suffered considerable underachievement then and have enjoyed a more recent overachievement, but inevitably regression to the long-term mean kicks in and so... here we are. Similarly, when Ross County eventually stop over-performing to a relative degree and slide into this tier, occasionally the seaside leagues as well, their fans will be rightly disappointed but can hardly say with a straight face that their 'natural level' is the top flight of Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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