sctv Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Just a question, this season is really my first venture into junior football, previously I've been heavily involved in amateur. Currently we are in division two but I don't see much of a difference in standard from most of the well run amateur leagues and teams. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 IMO West Region marginally stronger than the East. Although maybe this year it could be evensteven . Pollok/Talbot/Medda/Hurlford/Glenafton are the So called big teams in the West. East has Linlithgow/Bonnyrigg/Bo'Ness and Lochee I would say dominate there. North I am not so sure sorry. Overall difference between Junior and Amateur may just be fitness and players getting time off to get to their games. Not much between I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Most of the difference is just in the naming of the grade they're playing in - there isn't a huge difference between the higher levels of the amateur game and the lower end of the junior game - there might even be more money (unofficially!) in the former, in much the same way as there isn't a massive gulf between the higher levels of the junior game and the lower level of the seniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky55 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Just a question, this season is really my first venture into junior football, previously I've been heavily involved in amateur. Currently we are in division two but I don't see much of a difference in standard from most of the well run amateur leagues and teams. Any thoughts? Juniors are much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 IMO West Region marginally stronger than the East. Although maybe this year it could be evensteven . Pollok/Talbot/Medda/Hurlford/Glenafton are the So called big teams in the West. East has Linlithgow/Bonnyrigg/Bo'Ness and Lochee I would say dominate there. North I am not so sure sorry. Overall difference between Junior and Amateur may just be fitness and players getting time off to get to their games. Not much between I believe I think the inclusion of Lochee as one of the current dominant teams in the East kind of devalues your opinion a tad. Not that you are necessarily wrong in the broader supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.Cullen Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Division 2 in Junior football wont be much different from alot of well run amateur teams. When you start to go up the leagues in the Juniors to the Superleagues then you will notice the difference. (in most cases) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Most lower division teams would struggle in the top central amateur league in my opinion. Colville park a side (would be interesting to see how they get on against a super league side), the rest of the central ammy prem teams would deffo compete in the lower 2 divs in juniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Most lower division teams would struggle in the top central amateur league in my opinion. Colville park a side (would be interesting to see how they get on against a super league side), the rest of the central ammy prem teams would deffo compete in the lower 2 divs in juniors. I think it would be more likely that they’d get some good one-off results, but over the course of the season they might find it more of a slog. I’ve seen some amateur teams get good results against Junior sides in friendlies, but you can often tell one side’s taking it deadly serious to claim a scalp and the other is treating it like a bounce game. Much the same often happens when a Junior side faces an SPFL club in a friendly – it means a lot more to the lower grade outfit. I suspect would be a bit different in a competitive game – Ayrshire District side Girvan dealt with last year’s amateur cup winners Harestanes fairly comfortably away in the “big” Scottish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I wouldn't disagree with most of your post, however I'm led to believe they lost 2/3' of there best players (one I know of currently doing very well for Cumbernauld colts), they also didn't have a keeper for that day IIRC. There results weren't great at start of the season in the league either but seem to be picking up now. I dare say if they had the same team it would have been much closer. I would love to see how Colville park would get on in super league, they have quality through out squad and plenty of depth, enough for 2 extremely strong sides of 11 I'm led to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clattypat Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I wouldn't disagree with most of your post, however I'm led to believe they lost 2/3' of there best players (one I know of currently doing very well for Cumbernauld colts), they also didn't have a keeper for that day IIRC. There results weren't great at start of the season in the league either but seem to be picking up now. I dare say if they had the same team it would have been much closer. I would love to see how Colville park would get on in super league, they have quality through out squad and plenty of depth, enough for 2 extremely strong sides of 11 I'm led to believe. Did a game between Colville and Greenock not get abandoned last season?? . Think nock were humping them and colville started to lose the plot ,then the game was cut short . Colville have some good players but a scheme-team mentality ,not good enough for the top tier in the juniors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 We've gotten some right crackers from Juvs / Ams over the years. Others take a while to settle to the standard but go on to do well. Personally I'd like to see Ams join a pyramid as well as Juniors and let everyone find their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghsfp01 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Did a game between Colville and Greenock not get abandoned last season?? . Think nock were humping them and colville started to lose the plot ,then the game was cut short . Colville have some good players but a scheme-team mentality ,not good enough for the top tier in the juniors Think that game was Wellhouse and not Colville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelangonline Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 In my experience and listening to old Camby managers, the biggest difference is attitude. Amature players with amature attitudes to quote one of them. Many many players have came from amature football and because they don't walk into a team or are on the bench one week they want released. Having said that plenty gems picked up from the amature leagues go to top junior sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Every time Whitehill play an amateur team it seems to end in a rammy. Not the first time the ref has just abandoned it. Hope I'm not out of line here but it seems to me that most of the WW players tend to be young lads who've been released by senior clubs after doing an apprenticeship. So they have the discipline, maybe the amateurs haven't been that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 In my experience and listening to old Camby managers, the biggest difference is attitude. Amature players with amature attitudes to quote one of them. Many many players have came from amature football and because they don't walk into a team or are on the bench one week they want released. Having said that plenty gems picked up from the amature leagues go to top junior sides. Are you "seur" about that spelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muller Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Did a game between Colville and Greenock not get abandoned last season?? . Think nock were humping them and colville started to lose the plot ,then the game was cut short . Colville have some good players but a scheme-team mentality ,not good enough for the top tier in the juniorsWas wellhouse and if remember correctly it was Greenock who were down 3 zip and started leaving the boot in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I think the inclusion of Lochee as one of the current dominant teams in the East kind of devalues your opinion a tad. Not that you are necessarily wrong in the broader supposition. Apologies my bad. I should have said Kelty not Lochee poor show no excuse :-/ Think Lochee has always stayed in the back of my head after they pumped us out the Scottish a few seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Did a game between Colville and Greenock not get abandoned last season?? . Think nock were humping them and colville started to lose the plot ,then the game was cut short . Colville have some good players but a scheme-team mentality ,not good enough for the top tier in the juniors I would be very surprised if that was Colville to be honest. Bannockburn have had a bit of trouble with discipline in the past, can't think of anyone else it could have been if it was a team from the central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipple burn Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's mooted that some of the top ammy clubs pay players more than Junior players. So with PAYE would some ammy clubs want a crack at the Super League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KilsythCoyle Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I was in attendance at the Harestanes v Girvan game that was in question. The amateurs were shown up big time that day imo, by a more average Junior side. The difference between the two teams was the discipline, in terms of positioning, shape and organisation on the pitch. Yes Harestanes were missing a couple of bodies, but the junior side were comfortable in there victory and looked as if they couldve stepped up a gear if required. The Amateurs were looking to catch the Juniors on the counter, or to score via a set piece, penalty etc. Very rarely troubling Girvan from what I remember. Yes, this was only one example, but I think it would've been interesting if they were to have been playing a Linlithgow or a Talbot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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