Granny Danger Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I know this has been covered on other threads but given its importance and likely imminence I thought I'd start this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35467479 Early reports and all that, but it looks like this falls well short of what Cameron himself promised. He will have one hell of a job selling it to any fence sitters as a victory and I think he will be torn apart by the Euro sceptics in his own party. I said previously he was taking a big gamble by taking a position that he was unlikely to succeed in achieving and now he has to convince the general public that this is a victory. This is manna from heaven for any well organised opposition party. The whole issue has the potential to cause serious splits in Tory ranks and amongst Tory voters. The problem is that the SNP has just about topped out in support and Labour is probably to inward looking at present to capitalise south of the border. It will also be a huge boost for UKIP whose perceived electoral irrelevance is masked by an unfair voting system. I can see them appealing even more to the little Englander voter, the only positive thing is that any momentum they gain will probably be lost by the time of the next General Election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonMan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Will be interesting to see how it goes. I'm still unsure as to how I'll vote myself, but I'm finding the "In" camps claims as to how it'll supposedly threaten national security etc to be a bit ridiculous, and it reminds of similarly daft claims when the independence referendum was going on. Cameron will perhaps get some concessions, but I agree he's unlikely to get anywhere near as much as he wants. His attitude makes him look like someone who wants to basically opt out of whatever he doesn't like in the EU...while being able to remain in it anyway. And it'll probably piss a few other countries off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'd be worried if i was a North of England Labour MP trying to sell a pro EU line when your voters are going the other way. Remember Glasgoe North East comrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cameron has absolutely fucked this. He needs to go for a referendum asap before the pendulum swings further. The electorate tend to be cautious so I would say it's a marginal win for IN. Don't know what I'll do myself. Could well not bother voting, each result has its merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The funniest thing will be if the vote is too leave is the ukip spain division being told they are being deported back to blighty and the shitty bar they have spunked all there life savings on is no longer theres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The funniest thing will be if the vote is too leave is the ukip spain division being told they are being deported back to blighty and the shitty bar they have spunked all there life savings on is no longer theres Yup. I'm sure the Spaniards will be absolutely delighted to see the back of British retirees that contribute to the economy over there, pay council tax, don't drain public services and don't take jobs from the locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Yup. I'm sure the Spaniards will be absolutely delighted to see the back of British retirees that contribute to the economy over there, pay council tax, don't drain public services and don't take jobs from the locals. Do you know how hard it is to get a visa for the eu,let alone a working visa for non eu citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Mess by Cameron. He has achieved the right to enquire about welfare and euro zone decisions where they affect Uk. He can now appeal this but any appeal must be unanimously approved by all member states or its bau. ) what a fud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cameron has absolutely fucked this. He needs to go for a referendum asap before the pendulum swings further. The electorate tend to be cautious so I would say it's a marginal win for IN. Don't know what I'll do myself. Could well not bother voting, each result has its merits. I'm the same I don't have a clue, bored of it already. I'm wanting whats best for Scotland, so in theory I hope we vote for the opposite of what the rest of the UK want thus helping us towards Independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I would probably 90% vote Stay. I'm hugely pro - European, just not the model we currently have. Whilst this might be an opportunity for reform it will be minging right wing reform like controls on immigration and the rolling back of human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The Tories (or Labour) in power with no European working directives to worry about is the only thing pushing me to vote stay in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The Tories (or Labour) in power with no European working directives to worry about I'd the only thing pushing me to vote stay in. No ryder cup or euromillions aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The Tories (or Labour) in power with no European working directives to worry about I'd the only thing pushing me to vote stay in. Same. I'd welcome a serious debate on Scotland's EU membership when Scotland is an EU member. As long as we're a region of a member, I'm not going to vote to strengthen Westminster and the extremist BritNats who would happily have the UK government dictate how often they masturbate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 No ryder cup or euromillions aswell The euromillions will probably miss me more than I'll miss them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I know this has been covered on other threads but given its importance and likely imminence I thought I'd start this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35467479 Early reports and all that, but it looks like this falls well short of what Cameron himself promised. He will have one hell of a job selling it to any fence sitters as a victory and I think he will be torn apart by the Euro sceptics in his own party. I said previously he was taking a big gamble by taking a position that he was unlikely to succeed in achieving and now he has to convince the general public that this is a victory. This is manna from heaven for any well organised opposition party. The whole issue has the potential to cause serious splits in Tory ranks and amongst Tory voters. The problem is that the SNP has just about topped out in support and Labour is probably to inward looking at present to capitalise south of the border. It will also be a huge boost for UKIP whose perceived electoral irrelevance is masked by an unfair voting system. I can see them appealing even more to the little Englander voter, the only positive thing is that any momentum they gain will probably be lost by the time of the next General Election. The latest poll shows the 'remain' group leading at 54 % against 36% for 'leave'. When you consider that Theresa May has more or less decided to cross over then you know that the 'leave' group are in trouble because she is only concerned with her own political future and hasn't got a principle in her body. I would imagine a lot of Tories will do the same and look out for themselves and not the country. We now have the depressing prospect of watching Europhiles arguing that Cameron has been successful in the negotiations and trying to lie their way out of it. Depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 invergowrie arab "Don't know what I'll do myself. Could well not bother voting, each result has its merits". For the sake of the Scottish fishing industry I would urge you to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The funniest thing will be if the vote is too leave is the ukip spain division being told they are being deported back to blighty and the shitty bar they have spunked all there life savings on is no longer theres Luv it. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The euromillions will probably miss me more than I'll miss them. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 invergowrie arab "Don't know what I'll do myself. Could well not bother voting, each result has its merits". For the sake of the Scottish fishing industry I would urge you to vote. The only fish I like is tuna. f**k them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The phone polls have 'remain' leading by a huge margin with online polls showing mixed results with both sides managing to show a lead. Potentially another major minter for the pollsters. That said, the leave campaign seem to be enjoying a good bout of in-fighting at the moment which would lead you to believe their own polls show that the phone polls are closer to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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